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""Apparentely, there's this guy named Gimini who actually started working on Innocent Sin patch with a team of translators.

He seems to be proceeding nicely, he's working to launch 2 versions of the patch: Italian and English, and the approximate launch date is between 7-8 months!

According to Gimini he's to launch a site in the coming weeks for people to check his progress with the project.

Please support him in anyway you can.


Here's some shots: (Italian Version)
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,590.msg20813.html#msg20813
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,590.msg22340.html#msg22340

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Best news i heard this whole year.

Hopefully it will continue at a nice pace. It's really remarkable that something hasn't been done about this already considering the level of interest in the title. I'm willing to wait another several months considering all I can really do with my copy is run around mindlessly haha.

Very cool. Thanks for the heads up.

Wait, is it a patch for the ROM?

Basically, you'd need to copy the game to your computer, apply the patch to the image file it creates (generally known as an ISO, but also appears in Bin/Cue format and countless others) and then burn that file to a new disc.

So, you'd basically need a solution to play back-ups on your original system or be able to run the game in an emulator.

Oy, that's irratating.

Not quite as irritating as playing along with a translation FAQ in your lap. :updown:

When you say burn to a disc, do you mean you'd be able to run it in a PS2 like a normal game...? :buh:

You'll have to have your PS2 chipped or modded to play back-up games and then it should play the burnt disc.

I'm immensely interested in this - although I haven't played them yet due to region constraints, the Persona series in full (as in all three on PS1) would be grand.

Out of interest Tony, where did you get Innocent Sin from? I've never seen it anywhere to buy, no matter how much I scour eBay.

I was answering the one question, but you got it already lol.

I actually got it off of eBay. I can look up the seller for you because I know he does requests. He might be able to track down another copy fairly easily. I think I only spent around $20 on it, used. Which is fair since, you know, it's not exactly a rare title in that country. A lot of places mark up heavily on this stuff and it's hard to justify the costs. I'm willing to bet that if this patch does come out they'll be a LOT more common, but possibly even more expensive due to the potential demand.

It's semi-rare on there. Any good Megaten stuff is. I look about once every week or two and most of the time I find nothing of real value. In all this time, I've personally only seen Innocent Sin on there maybe twice.

You could do that, or you could run the patched image on your computer provided that it's fast enough for that.

I see. ... -Crickets- >.> So, once the whole patch is complete it would be possible to make actual IS playstation discs, right? ... *Wooden cogs creaking* And that means someone could make copies of the now localized game and give them to whomever they wish, correct?

...Hint, hint.

Well, I mean, once the patch is done, the game could obviously be distributed in patched form (illeglly online, anyway)... but no matter what, it would never be a black Playstation capable disc. It would be burnt on a CD you could buy at the store.

^ Knew that. SOrry if I confused things. >.< But yeah, hooray for illegal copies.

Hey, my nick is Gemini, not Gimini! :P

Gemini sounds a lot better. :buh:

I hope the patch is going well. There's a lot of people who really cannot wait for it. Good luck.

It's going well, although I'm experiencing some difficulties. >_> That darn hero's name input screen is really a bitch to hack. :censored:

Gemini my man, if you translated the whole thing in english the least of my worries would be Ta-Chan's name!

I mean i wouldn't mind at all leaving it as is.if i remember correctely you had a space of 4 characters and the choice of using latin letters.

don't put too much effort on it.Insted consentrate on the contact tanslation and it's branches(team contact's,demons reponses) and the personae and character's status screen.

Oh, and naturally of course you are my Neo God.

I can't just ignore that module. It's vital for you to start a new game (you can't get past it for now). At the moment this is how the screen looks like:
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1007/nometj6.png)
As you can see, it's possible to input more than 3 characters (up to 7 for name and surname, 11 for nickname), although it's completely broken and needs an additional (huge) hack in order to work fine. :P

I'm working on that too, don't worry. ;)

Please, don't call me God. Chuck Norris will be fine. :P

Great job so far, I've been waiting for this for forever.

Ok guys, a short update: here (http://www.crosser.altervista.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=73) is the page I came up with for this project. Every update or image will be posted there, so stay tuned. I hope you like it. ^_^

Was there a holy light surrounding that link on anyone else's computer? >.>;

Nah.


There WAS a donut though. Man, I gotta cut back.

I'm a little late on this and haven't read through the whole thread but seeing the title...*happy* :D

Looks like I'll need to buy the game again...unless I can download it somewhere. D:

If anyone's interested, I found a decent .torrent of IS on demonoid, which unfortunatly only opens registration on Fridays, but I'm sure that's not a huge problem. There's only one seeder and 16 leechers right now. I plan on reseeding once I actually get the file, but I have to succeed in getting an account there first.

The File - http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/417850/775222/
if you don't have a torrent client - http://www.bittorrent.com/
a PS1 emulator - http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/psx/epsxe.html

Or, if you want to play the game legally, pay no attention to the ramblings of the internet pirate.

Gemini, I sent you a Private Message concerning the translation. ^ - ^

Ugh, I wish I wasn't so technologically impared -- this stuff is beyond me. At least I own an actually copy of IS, but have only goofed around with it.

Lucky... I just had to go through seven different kinds of hell to get the game downloaded and running. Turns out the emulator I linked to here doesn't really work here...

For those of you actually using those files, I should probably give you the heads up: They're a .BIN and a .CUE file. The best thing to do would be to download pSX, the second emulator listed at that site, then get it running (might require scph1001.bin and d3dx9_26.dll, both of which I found easliy with google), then use the built in function to convert the .BIN file to a .CDZ file. [/geekout]

At least, that's how I got it to work. Stupid thing was almost more trouble than it's worth. But, at least I emerged victorious...

<.<
>.>

Watch the file type not be compatiible with the patch.

Why converting it to CDZ? Do you have serious space problems? :O

not really, I just don't know how to do anything else with it. I have only a very basic understanding of how all this works, so I went with what would get it working quickest.

If you have a suggestion, I'd be glad to hear it.

Just leave it as a plain BIN+CUE, it will be faster for pSX to load data. Also, my patch will be only be compatible with a BIN+CUE (or IMG+CCD+SUB) iso, so it's time to get used to that format. :P

PS: Main story dialogues translated.

thanks, I appreciate the help.

Gemini my love, please please include a little .txt file that explains(very thoroughly!) how to make those .cue and .img and how to apply it and how to make an .iso thingy and all that technical programming.

Basically try wording it as if you're talking to a first grader about it,cause it will be the first time for a couple of people-including me- doing all those magical spells.

Again,much appreciated my man.


P.S : Anyone else having trouble opening Jikan no  Forum (http://www.crosser.altervista.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=73)'s page.It gives all those red alerts:

"The error returned was:

Sorry, the link that brought you to this page seems to be out of date or broken."

was the site changed or something..?

Don't worry, the readme will contain everything you need for extracting the whole game and patching it in no time.
As for the project page, the new address is sightly different:
http://www.crosser.altervista.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=80

Just check my forums is there is another problem like that.

Hey how is it going? I dont see any advance at the forums, when are you going to release it? If you plan to make a spanish version i would support you and help you to translate, I would like to expand persona fandom to non-english speakers , but anyway...

This sounds pretty interesting, i'm looking forward to it.  

Of course once my copy of IS finally arrives in the mail, I will be going straight to the Oracles of Maiya translation :P

Wow this is fantastic.

Damn it, there was no info from GEMINI for a long time... And here I was hoping that I would be able to play IS in english this summer. :frown:

Shouldn't have expected anything from the beginning.I mean it's always like this...starts with a bang, get hyped for a while...steam dies down slowly,you get swept away by time...suddenly,everyone forgets what where they talking about.

simply put. . .it was too good to be true.Suffering is mandatory for a MegaTen fan.

Unfortunately, you're right. Many fan translations projects end up in trash can... I still belive in GEMINI, though...

BTW - I know that Oracle of Maya's English Script authors don't want it to be used for an actually IS english patch but... can GEMINI just screw them? It's illeagal either way so... why not use that translation since he has problems with the translators? It's already been far too long in stormy weather for us,  non-japanese-speaking Persona 2 fans...

Unfortunately, you're right. Many fan translations end up in trash can... I still belive in Gemini, though...

BTW - I know that Oracle of Maya's English Script authors don't what it to be used for an actually IS english patch but... can Gemini just screw them? It's illeagal either way so... why not use that translation since he has problems with the translators? It's already been far too long in stormy weather for us,  non-japanese-speaking Persona 2 fans...

Show some more goddamn respect for the Oracle of Maiya team. If they don't want their work used in a patch, then it shouldn't be used in a patch.

Yeah, I know that doesn't sound too well but... I just do not comprehend the fact that we can't play IS in english even though there's an english patch for it floating over Internet for years now... >_>

I have a sea o admirations for the hard work people from Oracle of Maiya team had put into translating IS but I find it utterly absurd not turn that great translation into a patch, even if they don't want it for some reason...

Yeah, I know that doesn't sound too well but... I just do not comprehend the fact that we can't play IS in english even though there's an english translation for it floating over Internet for years now... >_>

I have a sea of admiration for all the hard work people from Oracle of Maiya team had put into translating IS but I find it utterly absurd not to turn that great translation into a patch, even if they don't want it for some reason...

Take a Japanese course at your local community college!  Sure you may not be fluent but you'll get the gist.  Hell, I took four years of the shit and I still can't read half of it.  The only reason why most people even go through the trouble to translate stuff for free is to practice their Japanese in the first place (though not the case for Gemini I suppose, although its the same deal only practicing programming skills).        

Sometimes I feel like I'm LeVar Burton on Reading Rainbow...  but don't take my word for it.

Well, I've tried and nothing came out of it - Japanese is too damn difficult for me, and besides... ther's a lot of complicated (or should I say - unpopular) kanji in Tsumi, AFAIK. Gemini's translation is my only chance (I've also tried to play with  the script from Oracle of Maiya but it's a pain in the ass).

I must agree with you in this, but I guess is better than nothing.

I can't, even if I wanted to. Not only their script is incorrect in several sentences, it's also INCOMPLETE. Btw, looks like the "Tom's been kidnapped by aliens!" period is almost finished. I hope you know who's that Tom I'm talking about. :azn:

O, yeah! I hope you'll have no mercy for him and use every second of his free time. ;PP

I'd offer to help translate but I don't even have a working ps1 memory card, let alone the time to do some serious translation work.  To be honest though I don't really understand the whole Oracle of Maiya thing.  For as much work as they've put into that they can't have had more than like five people who actually went through the trouble of playing it in Japanese with a printed out translation (what a giant waste of paper!) from their page.  It'd probably be more prudent to beat a section of the game and then go back and read the script if you really really really wanted to complete it.  If I remember right though the kanji in that game isn't too obscure although the typeface utterly sucks and garbles a lot of the 10-15+ stroke characters.

This might have been covered before (I'm tired, so forgive me), but if the time comes and you need a place to distribute necessary files from or whatever else... just let me know. It's very much something I'd like to support as much as I possibly can.

Tom is missing again and this time I'm so freaking pissed off. >_< Looking for a new translator at the moment...

Good luck with the project!

i can help you , but i cant read kanji (well some i can at least) but my principal purpous is to take your english translation and turn it spanish to make the megaten fandom grow up!!!! well its my opinion if you wish...

Count me in!

Thanks, but I'm interested only in direct Japanese->whatever language translations. Forget about translating from English, I don't allow my collaborators to do that and I never will.

Ok Gemini, no problem i understand, and ill be hoping to get your patch hehe

I guess we'll not see it this year, then... ;/

I was hoping for a release in June, but that didn't happen. :/ Yeah, it will probably be next year.

Wow, I really hope everything goes well for you, Gemini!  I am really looking forward to this patch.  I played Final Fantasy 8 with a translation cheat sheet, and it was not as fun as it could have been, so I think I will just sit back and hope and pray for your success with this patch!  Wish I could help in some way...but I really can't. Sorry!

I hope I can see that translation patch soon!

Translation (not the hack itself) was resumed. Yay. :mickey:

Good, cause I was looking on other forum, that you already drop the project. Keep us informed!!

Excellent news!!!

It said suspended, not dropped. ;)

Oh! cool!! Keep it up then, and if you can show us some screen shots, I`ll appreciate it. :king:

Same screens already posted on my forums:
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/SLPS_02100_17112007_165142_0550-1.png)  (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/SLPS_02100_17112007_165058_0436-1.png)  (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/SLPS_02100_17112007_165047_0250-1.png)

They are *technically* new, and yet outdated. :P

They look awesome, but that will be the deffault language you`re gonna use?

All those "strange" strings are in Italian, my own language. I'm was using the Italian translation (I made it while searching for all the text) to test all the expanded features, but the final result will be in English.

Good work and nice screens :)

A little gift (http://rapidshare.com/files/70586418/portraits.rar.html) for all the Persona 2 fans here. I think all those who like Kazuma Kaneko's artworks will love this package. :D All that stuff was ripped from Innocent Sin while looking for game data, and I accidentally stumbled upon those. I think I should have somewhere the Eternal Punishment equivalent, but I'm not sure anymore.

._.U  i know this is not the place but i wanna put here and i not want to make another thread
this video... i dont know how that guy obtain the Jack Frost Doll!!

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13672

thats all...
.........

atte:Ken Amada :P

 
:mickey: Cool thanks for the little gift. And I`m looking forward to see more of your works, and you by casuality don`t have the ripped pictures of the Personas? Cause I`m looking for those, but can`t find them :frown:

You mean the battle GFX or the tarot images? Because I have none of them. :P Never looked for those.

 :sadani: I mean, the tarot images. But thanks anyway!

Awesome, thanks a lot for these. If you do find the EP versions, definitely post them. These are a big help for that Demonary thing on the site that seems to never come to fruition... although I swear it exists. I just don't want to launch it until it has enough stuff in it lol.

hey tony the people of the forum can help whit the demonary?

Yeah, cause if you want I´m playing Tsumi and I can ripp the Tarot images of the Personas (the ones I´m looking for...) and once I finish that, I´m going to play Megami Ibunroku Persona, if you want other images from there, just tell me.

Sure, anything you guys want to do would be helpful. You can just PM me for more information, I don't want to totally derail this thread lol.

I found them, but there's a problem: I can't decompress the images. For some reason they created a different compression algorithm only for the tarots, which doesn't remind at all the one used for the dialogue maps. O_o I'll see what I can do about it, but I can't guarantee anything sure.

Gemini, say what file whit tarot image?

Thank you very much!!! :king:

D\F1098.BIN
It's an archive of compressed images (256 colors) and palettes, with a 2048 byte alignment.

Thanks, I try get it ;)

Tarots (http://rapidshare.com/files/71455661/tarots.rar.html)! It took me a while (different compression was an issue), but tarots are fully extracted. Enjoy. :axeman:

Cooooool! Thank you very much!! I owe you one!! Thanks. :king::king:

EDIT: Wondering... Can you do the same with the tarot images on Eternal Punishment?

Both games share the same code (decompression routines are interchangeable), so it's definitively a yes.

Good, can you do it? Please!!

THANKS!!!

Gemini, Excellently. I was late:)
You can write as you it has made, a code of unpacking. In PM.

I could, but not as fast as I did it with Innocent Sin. I don't have an identified IDA database for EP at the moment (and probably never will), so it'd take me time... that, sadly, I don't have now.

Me is clueless. I don't get what you are trying to say, but if that means "Could you share the decompression code?" the answer is once again the same: no. I do not share my stuff, usually, so please live with it.

Ok, take your time!! And keep me informed! Thanks, once again.:king:

Excuse, the secret thought it not. But all the same thanks for the answer:)

Here is a page where there are a lot of translations patchs, including the ones for Shin Megami Tensei and Shin Megami Tensei 2. They have a project with Devil Summoner Soul Hacker, but don´t know if they continue it.

http://agtp.romhack.net/projects.php

Thanks to Demi-Heat for the link. :axeman:

The project is pretty much dead, actually. Gideon hasn't been working on it for a few years now (4 probably).

¬¬ dont use mi nick/name/user name,wathever

Oh! too bad, well I´ll have to play the game in Japanese, just like the others. :frown:

EDIT:


Ok, don´t worry you will not be mentioned by me again.

I know I'm way too late but... THANK YOU FOR THE PORTRAITS PACKAGE, GEMINI! YOU'RE THE MAN!:axeman:

There's some programs, like UltraISO that you can modificat the archives to do the translation and then burn the disk, that is the way you can play the game (or you can put a emulator to run and play it by the PC)

If that was a question, yes, there is one: CDMage Beta. It can replace files (bigger will be truncated, smaller will be filled with zeroes) and I've used it several times in the past years, so I can assure you it works really great.

Just in case you missed the last update:
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/ismenu1.png) (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/ismenu2.png)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/ismenu3.png) (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/ismenu4.png)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/isdialog1.png) (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff233/Geminimewtwo/Persona%202%20-%20Innocent%20Sin/isdialog4.png)

Almost all the text related crashes are fixed now. Phew. :axeman:

O_O WOW It looking good! I must admit that I really liked Tsumi, the final battle was awesome. I´m looking forward to your english patch Gemini :)

Ohhhh my god!! It's looking pretty awesome!!

Here you can find a few more details: http://tsumi.wordpress.com/
From now on I will be posting there all the updates, even the smallest progresses, just like all the other blogs do. :P

Does anyone have the Persona 2 Eternal Punishment's portraits/tarots :)? Or possibly the portraits from Persona 1 (Japanese version)?

Here, I uploaded myself, I don`t know if the links are available if not, let me know so I can upload them again ;)

http://www.digitaldevildb.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=616

And about the Eternal Punishment potraits, just wait me a little, I have those, but I don`t know where :S I have a complete mess in my pc, but once I find them, I upload them as well!! ;)

Thanks for the link :) I already snagged those, but I'm looking for the Megami Ibunroku Persona character portraits (the non-ATLUS USA changed ones) if you have them.

And if you find the Persona 2 Eternal Punishment portraits that will be awesome too!

They`re there too! Just go down a little in the post #6 and you will find them, a long with the Persona 2 Batsu portraits ;)

And about the Personas of Persona 2 Eternal Punishment, I finally find them, I will upload them and post the link.

Awesome, thanks! Do you know if there are more portraits for P2 Batsu than this? I'm looking for the pics of Persona 1's main character from Batsu and all the other NPC pics :)

Well let me see... If you mean the NPC portraits, I only have the ones on that link, but Gemini upload the portraits of all the NPC from Tsumi a while ago, just look back in this thread in and you`ll find them, since the NPC of Tsumi are the same for Batsu then you will not have a problem there. But if you´re looking for the sprites of the NPC, then I´m afraid I don´t have those :S

And about the Persona portraits, can you wait for me a little longer, cause mediafire is giving problems and my internet is not so fast right now so when I`m trying to upload it to Rapidshare, after a while, Rapidshare gives me an errorr. But don`t worry, late at night I guess I will be able to upload those for you :)

Sure, no problem. Thanks for the help :)

VERY much looking forward to this english patch.  My friend and I have been waiting for this for quite some time.

Sorry to keep you waiting, finally is here, sorry to use Megaupload but the other uploaders where giving me a lot of problems.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SES5CDSM

These are the portraits of the Personas in Persona 2 Eternal Punishment, thanks to Tony who was the one that give them to me.

I've got to say, playing Innocent Sin in English would rock. I've thought of emulating it on PSP and having the translation guide as a manual - thus disposing of the "print out on yer lap" problem, but this means Homing it everytime someone speaks. Not fun. Plus the problem as to whether IS actually RUNS on the damned emu (Revelations works fine, but Eternal Problem is nigh unplayable, with serious slow down and the like).

Anyways, I'm rooting for you Gemini. I really hopes this comes about : )

Hey Emilio, those are the portraits/demon portraits from Persona 3, not Persona 2 :doh:

But since you have Persona 3's I thought I'd ask if you have the portraits/demon portraits from Fes as well? :)

Unfortunately, IS runs on emulator just like EP does, so it's pretty slow when there is a lot of text on screen, and battles can make it crash like a bitch. On the first matter, my new code for text rendering completely solves the slowdowns (which also happened in a similar manner on the Ps2), but still crashes in battle because the emulator is utterly bad. So, unless they don't fix the emulation core once and for all, you will have to play IS on a Psx, Ps2 or Pc emulator. :badteeth: Well, at least I can use the Psp for some code testing, since no other emulator can detect those damn delay slots. :9

:doh: Sorry, my mistake!! :doh: I will look for them today in the afternoon, just wait for me a little, sorry! :doh:

BTW I have the portraits of the Personas from FES but they don´t look like that, the ones I have look like an artbook with text and all that stuff. I will look for the link where I get them.

EDIT: Sorry, the page where I get those scans is not available! And I´m not sure if I´m allowed to upload scans that comes from them. Here´s the page:

http://www.dokuganryu.com/od.html

Yeah, I looked up the compatability on Gamer's Press and IS freezes when the characters first use their Personae (story based battle). I'm playing through Persona Rev. (again) on PSP right now and there's only slight slowdown at the beginning of each battle so I'm pretty pleased. I wonder why the other Persona games won't work, Revelations being similar to them and all (from a gaming point of view).

Guess we'll have to wait until DAX fixes the emu past 4.00 CFW and beyond. I'm hoping. Plus, playing IS in English on a console isn't exactly a bad thing.

Hope it's going well.

Just go to Kei's main site,look in the scans section,and look for Persona 3.

O_O Thanks! :updown:

EDIT: Sorry for the big mistake back there, now here is the link that contains the portraits of the Personas in Persona 2 Batsu. Once again, I receive these from Tony.

http://www.mediafire.com/?x2ggzz2f9ac

I could never get a burned copy of Persona to go past the initial dialog at the start of the game on my PS2.  The boot disc I use works fine with PS1s and PS2s but the PS2 plays PS1 games kind of weird anyway, regardless if they're burned copies or not.  I can play Persona on emulator though, it just looks all sorts of pixelated and grainy (despite plug-in settings) and the sprites just generally look like crap.  I'd rather play it console but I think I'd have to find a working PS1 for it to work properly.

You could conceivably burn a copy of the finished iso of this translation onto a disc and play it on your console though, correct?  I've been thinking about doing a translation for Soul Hackers (I have a lot of the groundwork laid out already) but I didn't want it to be limited to emulation-only.

This was on the blog:

Will the game be playable on my grey Playstation?
Yes, it will. My hacks are meant to run on real hardware. You will only need a modded console to play the game.

The PS2 is known to be screwy with some PSone games. Xenogears is the same - it freezes whenever Deus does his half-HP attack. I managed to get past it on PSP though (emu). I tried beating the bugger twice with these stupid freezes, but three times lucky I guess. The PS2 affects PSone resolution as well. In my opinion, it's just better to have a PSone for these "tricky" sorts of games - they're very cheap to buy and chip these days as well.

Uh I remember popping that game into a PS1 the day it hit the shelves. The only place I've ever seen pixels that size is emulating Famicom with 8x resolution! You're refering to IS right? I've never had any trouble emulating MIP (well I do recall some of the texture mappings be offset on the 3D dungeon walls -- dunno if that was ever fixed or not)

Though I've never really got into it on an emulator. My PS2 won't play PS1 games or DVDs. Something about firmware being bare minimum. I have a slide tool setup now. Does anyone know where I could download a system (bios update) utility iso image?

Does DS:SH retain the English spell names btw? If so you need to write up a complete list for me pronto :batman:

No, I'm talking about the very first Persona.  For some reason it looks like garbage on emulator...  It also skips a lot during the opening FMV despite being played directly from the iso.  I'm beginning to think the iso I have of it is just a bad copy... For one thing the kanji is completely absent from the naming menu...  When I play a disc on PS1 the background swirls don't move around in rooms... and there's no sound during FMVs... Then, without fail, it freezes once I get onto the world map after leaving the Hospital, usually only after traveling a block or two.  I'm guessing its when a random battle is supposed to occur...


I'm not sure what you mean...?  You mean my translation for them?

EDIT:  Now I've pretty much tried everything...  I made a different copy from a different iso and I have the same problem on both PS1 and PS2, it completely freezes just before entering battle on the town map.  I'm guessing it's just the game itself then.  You probably just can't run it from a copy.  Emulator is probably the only way to go then... I'll give some other emulators a shot, see if I can't get it to work right.  I'd really much rather play it on the console though... ;_;

In Devil Summoner, when you perform an action in a fight, the name of the action pops up in big letters in the upper left hand corner in a kind of purely esthetic Engrish. I'm assuming by your reaction you've never played DS or don't recall the feature, and SH obviously didn't carry over the tradition. The English titles used are pretty much the only close to authentic translation of the names, at least as far as intent is concerned.

Like I said, I've had no problem playing my MIP disc on emulators I've used other than the texture coordinates being a bit jostled in the 3D hallways. You might need a somewhat beefy computer of course to get a completely real-time experience out of it.

Oh, it doesn't keep the Engrish no but it still names the action in the top left corner of the screen.  Somewhere there exists the ATLUS approved Engrish names for most of the nakama in Megaten, I think maybe on the collectable cards...?  

Frankly the whole debacle with disc images and emulators is driving me a little bonkers.  I can't really seem to get either one to work properly... My problem with the emulators seems to be the opposite of yours, the polygonal hallways look great (music skips a bit) but the sprite screens have huge pixels and the text has these shadows on it that make it really hard to read.  It seems like I can sort of correct this by turning the graphics waaaaaay up but it makes everything else run a lot slower (windows, menus, loading times) and doesn't really look that much better, although it cleans up the text quite a bit.

I'm beginning to think the way this game was designed unintentionally thwarts piracy. ;_;

EDIT: yksehtniycul and I are talking about something totally divergent and unrelated to the Innocent Sin patch, sorry if there is confusion.  I tend to unintentionally divert threads a lot.

You should try it with both epsxe and pcsx (i think those are the names)

I can't remember which one I played it with, but I never had any trouble.

I get better milage with either one for some types of games. But sprite based games usually emulate pretty easy.

For those interested in tarots and portraits from EP, here (http://www.sendspace.com/file/qy8jv0) is the whole set I've just extracted. Enjoy! ♥

Thanks Gemini :) Usefull stuff ;)

Awesome, thanks Gemini :)

I've noticed that the project has started to really pick up. Either that or the blog updates make it seem so. It's nice to see that it's still going, for a while I thought progress had reached a dead end.

cant really wait for this!

visit the blog and you will see it live on action! i mean the project!:xd::xd::xd:

It's friday, it's time for an update!
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(http://tsumi.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/shop-eat.png) (http://tsumi.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/shop-swap-return.png)
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• Corrected a bug where translated save files would load because strings are longer than 5 characters;
• Name entry screen redone to support longer strings and better English input;
• Imported from EP 95% of item descriptions and 100% of spell descriptions;
• Reinserted correctly persona post-summon dialogues, and imported 95% of them from EP;
• Imported from EP all the shop/velvet room menu strings;
• Hacking my way through demon contact. It's still not working completely, but at least a couple of screens don't result in crashes.

For more information & screenshots check my project blog (http://tsumi.wordpress.com).

WOW Congratulations Gemini! :winkani: You´re doing an excelent job with the translation patch!  I hope we can see it soon and working at full capacity! =D

Keep up the good work gemini.
were rooting for you!!!!!

Dude, you are the embodiment of awesome.

NECRO POSTING! Beta testing has officially started. Enjoy!

WOW, Can't wait, can't wait  :dazed:

Well, the release of the english patch was originally planned for October 15th. But, with the increase of idiots who flame each other on the blog site and their total lack of the ability to actually discuss something peacefully, it has been delayed. No release date is planned for now.

http://tsumi.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/the-patch-is-indeed-delayed/

What a pain in the ass. :crying:

Haha, sweet.  Suck it, non-Japanese readers!  :smokin:

Personally, I would've never gone through all the trouble - Just so a bunch of Jap-illiterate geeks could trash my work?  No thank you.  Gemini should be applauded for his patience if anything.

But I forgot to tell... It doesn't matter, cause I already finished Tsumi with the help of the Oracle of Maya! :smug:

Hmmm... I don't see what flaming has to do with the release date. I would simply ignore those guys and release the patch. Maybe there are still some things to be done and Gemini is looking for an excuse, I don't know. If that's the case, he should simply say it. I've been reading his blog and there are some really weird people but you can find that kind of trolls everywhere (even much worse). But that's not the reason not to release the patch. To be honest I'm not so much fan of Persona (I played Eternal Punishment and it's a good game, but a little bit overrated in my opinion), but I was looking forward to see the patch anyway. I wanted to play it in english and I wanted to see the technical site of the translation, because what I saw on his blog looked really impressive. I think it's a little bit unprofessional to say: "I'm not going to release the game because some people are getting on my nerves." That means 95% of those normal people won't see the patch. And that's not because of those flaming idiots. It's because of Gemini not going to release the patch.
Well done.

And where did I say that the patch won't be released? I can't recall anything even similar to that. Delayed≠canceled in my vocabulary.

Were the flame comments culled from the release post? I read many and didn't see anything non congratulatory. I'm a little shocked just how many turned out to pour out the love :rainbow:

When you do release, don't forget to ask for donations!

Some are still there. I did delete a lot of them, but most were taken away automatically by the anti-spam system. :doh:

You are right, you said delayed until you feel that you want to release it. My mistake. But what does that mean? Christmas? Next year? October 15.th? When?
 Gemini, just put yourself in the position of the normal people who want to play the game in english. You are going to disappoint them. They probably won't say anything, because they don't want to piss you off. I know, we should be happy that someone went thru all the work and translated that game in english, I take my hat off to both of you for that. But you are not fair for disappointing all the people who expected the game on October 15.th.

You forgot the first rule of homebrew translations: we do them for ourselves, THEN for the general public. There's no such a thing as fairness in all this mess, no doubt about it.

 :biggrin: Then please tell me, what's with all that big announcements and constantly updating your blog? You are doing it for us, not yourself. After all, you can play the game without translating it (at least Tom can do it, I don't know about you). I think you are going to release the game on October 15.th. You just wanted the flaming to stop. Or maybe there are some technical things left to do? 

Because I like posting screenshots. :hearton:

Of course there are, or I would have never started a beta testing. And without me fixing those issues the patch can't be released. :ninja:

Than, just say so.  :smile: You should have said  November 15. th. and than release it earlier. You would make the people even more happy. Just take all the time you need and polish the thing. And ignore those trolls.

I'm ambivalent as I've already played and beaten Tsumi, but...

I think the best thing is just to accept that it won't be released until Gemini decides he wants to finish it (and get it beta tested of course).

Just be patient.  The English-speaking community has waited almost a decade now, what's a few more months compared to all that time?  :hearton:

I'm by no means an "otaku", but it always beats me that people could be so into a particular culture's exports and not take the time to learn enough of the local language to play their games even. Seems like some of us just gotta see something in English. Not disparaging Gemeni's efforts, but the Megaten community was playing games in Japanese before the Persona generation kids were crawling out of their diapers :smokin:

Besides, I've yet to see an RPG so deep it couldn't be performed entirely in pantomime :rainbow:

It never made sense to me either.  And then I get called a "wap fanboy" just because I play games in Japanese.  I'm not the one shelling out hundreds for crappy collectible figurines and artbooks and other assorted accoutrement...  :rolleyes:

Just wait a minute yksehtniycul, it's not easy to learn a foreign language. I speak three languages. My native language, a foreign language which I speak fluently and without accent, and english which I speak so-so. I can tell you one thing, in order to use a language properly, you have to speak it. Many people (including myself) are not in the position to speak or write that language. You simply have no contact at all with that particular language. Maybe you don't have the time to learn it. Sure, you could take the dictionary and crack it open every time you play japanese games, but that would be like deciphering the hieroglyphs. It would kill all the fun and after beating the game you would be very happy. Not because you beat the game, but because the torture would be finally over. After all, the japanese language uses completely different scripts. And learning a language just because of videogames...
I must say I'm not so much of a Persona fan but I understand all the fans waiting for the translation to be done. After all, it's best it happened this way. The people are getting original audio with subtitles. The official Atlus version would be dubbed.
But there is one thing I wanted to ask you yksehtniycul. How difficult is the japanese language? How long would it take to learn the language before you could speak it without embarrassing yourself? And do they still use a lot of Kanji today?  I've heard that most things today are written in Hirakana and Katakana.

Well there is a big diff between speaking/writing Japanese and playing video games. Also there is a diff between learning a new branch of language versus just learning another Romance language for example.

It took me very little time to get enough Japanese under my belt to play thru all the classic Megaten games without ever getting stuck when I was quite young. It's surprisingly easy to be able to grope your way through a Japanese game in my experience. You quickly pickup which words are indicators of actual required information and what is just idle filler. It's pretty easy to tell what is going on as well. You might not enjoy it on a Shakespearean level, though I've yet to hear of a game that is exactly Shakespearean :razz:

It can seem a lot more "Shakespearean" however if you use your imagination a little to fill in the blanks :wink:

My spoken Japanese is rather poor (mostly because I don't practice) but my reading and comprehension skills are a lot better.  It comes mostly from playing games in Japanese.  You already know three other languages which puts you at an advantage already.

Kanji is still widely in use in Japan.  In the olden days of the Famicom and Super Famicom, there often wasn't enough space on the cartridge to include the several thousand kanji character set.  With the CD and DVD generation of games it became less of an issue.  It does seem dauntingly unfamiliar at first but I promise it gets really easy over time, especially if you immerse yourself in it.  It may seem dorky to learn a foreign language sheerly for entertainment, but personally I enjoy the challenge.

Japanese would be a much more valuable language if the place wasn't so isolated. But at any rate, I gotta warn you. I still have a hard time playing the oldschool games without kanji. Which is why I always play remakes if they exist (the one thing remakes tend to have in common is kanji)

Some kana only games have spaces, but it's still a nightmare if you ask me. Much easier to learn kanji than pick words out of a sea of kana.

Then there are the games with consonant modifiers (ditto marks) in their own character spot. That's just painful on the eyes :dazed:

I so agree with you on this. Although it's a nightmare when they use too many kanji, even those that NOBODY would ever write. Persona is a perfect example of that. I was so surprised when I saw one of Lisa's dialogues using "takusan" in kanji.

沢山　

That's one of those words that looks so bizarre you know it can't mean what you might guess :biggrin:

I just know kanji more or less... not vocab! At least I can use a dictionary pretty easily.

That's why I've always found kanji to be pretty confusing context-wise.  I mean how does the kanji for "swamp," and "mountain," mean "a lot," when put together? ...

Then there's the whole Japanese counting system.  :face15:

People, the patch is finished. Congratulations to Tom and Gemini!

http://tsumi.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/all-is-lost/#more-641

Finally!! Congratulations to both Gemini and Tom! They've made something memorial for ALL the Megaten community! This one is for the records. Now, the only thing I need, is time to play Innocent Sin. :xd:

I eat every single letter i wrote a year ago (that it was a lost cause). Yeah there....in my face sucka !

I humbly bow to the noble king who proved me dead wrong.
Won't you forgive this lost soul oh great one..?

Well I've given it a try,starting off good...and right when I made it to my first dungeon,the game froze,heh.

I figured out what it was,so now I'm still going on.

I'm going to try it out today after work. It seems they fixed the patch and the game works well. Gemini said something was missing in the game. Some Black Joker thing and some fusion button configuration? Who/what is the Black Joker?

I hope you guys like it, beucase I didn't really like the last-minute bugs people had yesterday about the save/load menu. :sweatdrop: Hopefully it should be now. Enjoy.

Heh yeah,I ran into that yesterday. Why I'm sticking to the emulator save slots...but overall,it's been running pretty smoothly.

The english patch has a new version.

http://tsumi.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/already-an-update-damn/

This new second patch messed up my memory card. I’m playing the game on my modded PS1 PAL console. I started the game and everything was perfect. I played the game and saved it. I just wanted to take a look and play it after I finish the other RPG I’m currently playing. I checked my memory card because I wanted to delete my savestat and there was no Persona 2 I.S. savestat. But I had 3 Castlevania: SOTN save blocks (and I know that I normally have only one). What’s even more weird, the three Castlevania save blocks count as one when you want to delete them. It looks like Innocent Sin took over my Castlevania block and created additional two same looking save blocks. You can guess, I lost my Castlevania stat. However, that’s not important. It gets much worse. I deleted the Castlevania/Persona blocks and started the game again. I choose CONTINUE and my Persona savestat was still present, even it was deleted minutes before. I checked my memory card again and… three Thrill Kill save block (and it’s possible to have only one). Luckily, I have three memory cards. I copyed all my undamaged save blocks to the other memory card and deleted my Thrill Kill/Persona save blocks. It looked (only looked)that my memory card was empty now.I went experimenting. I started the game, clicked CONTINUE and the savestat was still there. I saved my game on all five blocks. Now I looked at my memory card. It was empty/full. You couldn’t see any save blocks but they were there. Which made it impossible to delete them, because they were invisible. I found that out by inserting some game and tried to save it. I got the message “Your memory card is full”.
This is not so bad in my case, because I have three memory cards. But I believe there are people with only one memory card. I hope this only happened to me.
Gemini fix this, please.

That's really lame. You'd think the firmware would prevent games from fucking up other games stuff :doh:

The PS1 was a pretty lean machine though. But I thought the cards had discreet memory units?? :confused:


Btw, I got a PM from a lurker (newest member) who wanted to help write a news story for the front page about this patch and stuff. Hopefully they'll really jump on board and not just disappear faster than they showed up :smug:


At any rate, if you wanna make sure anything specific get's into a potential news item Gemini, please let us know.


I can't say it enough... If people don't step up to the plate this site is going nowhere.

It's really bad it happened because the rest of the game looks fantastic. Now I got two options. I can use that memory card for Innocent Sin only or I can burn the unpatched ISO, start the game and try to load it hoping it's compatible with the save stats. Than I could overwrite the stats with the unpatched version of the game. The save blocks could maybe appear on the memory card. There is one good thing in all of this. You can't lose your savestats even if you wanted to.  :biggrin:

Getting burned games to work for the PSX is a nightmare.  For some reason they just have a high fuck-up ratio, especially with Atlus for some reason.  :frown:

I dunno, but were it my save game, I would've copied it on to spare card before risking anything. I would always keep games I'm not playing on a separate card. And I usually kept games I was playing on two different cards. But I'm just paranoid about electronics.

I'm pretty miffed I didn't learn my new PS3 has no card readers until I got it. That is pretty fucked if you ask me, considering there is no plain solution offered by Sony for handling card saves on PCs.

I know, I should have thought about that. But it's no big deal anyway. At least my Vagrant Story save stat is still fine. That's the most important thing.

There's artwork and a sprite for a form of the Joker that never appears in the game. In Eternal Punishment, you can select which fusion spells you want to perform from a list and it will automatically set it up (place characters in the correct order, etc). In Innocent Sin, you have to set them up manually.

The patch is really great, Gemini did an awesome job. On another note, I've clocked in about 5 hours playing IS on my PSP without a single glitch. I hope this keeps up with the rest of the game.

Thank you Cho. So they are bonus things only.

Good news people. Gemini gave me a new, fixed patch. Everything works great now. It even fixed my memory card. Strange thing, it seems it happened only to me.

That's good to hear :smokin:

Now if I only I could get Sebec story to work on a burned copy of Persona 1...  :crying:

Thanx. I actually started to play the game now. I'm curios about the rest. It seems that I.S. is somewhat easier than E.P. 

What is that???

I was going to ask the same thing too.

Not to divert the thread or anything but I can't play the Sebec quest in the original Persona.  For some reason it hard freezes on the world map after leaving the High School to go to the police station.  I can play the Snow Queen story fine since it doesn't require me to leave the school.  I've read somewhere that Persona is prone to bugs anyway so sorry I'm just whining. :(

Tsumi is a fun game though!  :rainbow:  It's super 90s.  Is visual kei still popular in Japan?  It's weird thinking that it really is dated now... 

Maybe I could find the error free japanese version ISO for you (if you want me too). Only if you have the original game of course. :smug: It could take some time but I think I could do it.

Thanks for the offer but I already have the ISO, I owned the game at one point so for all intents and purposes I think I'm entitled to play it again.  :wink:  In any case I can envision several boners on my part which may have contributed to the failure of the burn: 1) my crappy old CD burner somehow works after almost eight years of continued abuse, so there could be a problem with that, &/OR 2) the cds I'm using are crap but they work for pretty much everything else.  For instance the re-done SMTs seem to work fine, so do games that are more complicated graphically though. &/OR 3) There's some sort of additional protection on Persona beyond region encoding.  In any or all cases I'm screwed since I apparently lack the skills to figure it out.  I'd play it on emulator but for some reason it just looks terrible.  :sick:

P.S.  A burned copy of Soul Hackers has a similar freeze after your first flashback. 

Maybe it's the same issue like the Shin Megami Tensei 2 for the playstation. People say that the first print of the game (and I'm not talking about the ISO, I'm talking abot the original game) had some serious bugs like freezing at some point of the game.

The memoryleak character according to his profile hasn't logged in since the first 10mins after registering. So, despite being obviously non-committed he's even yet to've been able to read the response PM I afforded him :face15: 

So.... if anyone thinks this should still be a news item then please chime in. Better yet prepare a statement / graphic for us (this thread would be fine, we'll make a news thread if/when we have an official news item)

Hah!
Visual Kei has been around for a longgg time,started during the late 80s.

I mean,you still see it with J-Rock bands...look at the J-rock band Dir en grey.These guys have been around for a long time,and are still going,also have an album coming out later on.
But yeah,it's obvious why I like Eikichi so much....he supports Visual Kei!  :hearton:

It was really popular back in the 90s though.  :sweatdrop:  Rock stars have always been getting dressed up as gals though, 'tis a tradition as old as time.  :wink: 


Yeah, it deserves a blurb and a link at least.  I'll get on that.  :goodnight:

Or do girls dress up like Rock stars?? :rainbow:

Try to find a good screenshot with clearly English text on display if you do :smokin:

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/89/180px-Cover3299_21910.jpg)
100% real rock star.  :hearton:


I'll see what I can do.  :ninja:

Is there anyone playing I.S.? Right now I'm near the end of the game and I must say it's easy. Very, very easy. I'm a complete rookie in Persona games but until now my entire party got only wiped out by the Carolco mid bosses (pretty much far in the game). My level wasn't high either (something around lvl. 38 at that point). I played E.P. years ago and somehow I remember it was much more difficult.

Makes sense the followup game would be tougher.... pray for a hard mode maybe :cool:

There is no hard mode. Well, I'm not complaining...   :smile:
But it's somewhat strange to play an easy game made by Atlus. I just remembered "Shin Megami Tensei 1".... Brrr...

That's funny... I've never played these games (for long) but I've always presumed, based on the way players characterize them, they were much more difficult than than the original SMT titles.

SMT required thought unlike some games, but it was still possible to totally crush it's neck under your boot. Even at low levels you can lay to waste most of the bosses within three rounds. And the only strategic challenge was the option to venture into areas 3x over your level :biggrin:

Finished the game yesterday. Nice ending... I don't think they are more difficult. Persona E.P. might be more difficult than SMT 2, but SMT 1 is beyond frustrating. And it's not about bosses in SMT 1. It's about those normal encounters through the game. You encounter demons almost every second through the whole game and they are somehow always at higher levels than you are. I actually see no point in setting the difficulty so high. I must admit I also had problems with Nocturne. I choose hard difficulty for my first playthrough. Again, the normal bosses were nothing special. But some of the normal encounters and one of those Riders... Uggghhh.
Have you played SMT 1? I don't know if it's me being spoiled by really easy Square RPG's or was it my incompetence, but SMT 1 is the Nr.1 on my "don't ever play this game again" list.

It's very easy to run from fights in SMT1. If you don't you're generally gonna out-level enemies unless you're walking into an area out of order (in which case you'll soon level up and do so)

I sympathize with anyone playing CD versions of the game as the battles tend to be soooo slow, but the cart versions are zippedy quick in auto dispatch mode. I assume most players would emulate it these days. I never had any trouble, but my play style is a bit idiosyncratic versus say the character building tips you're likely to find in a guide.

I dunno, the PS1 version of "If..." is insanely fast.  You even walk through corridors at near mach speeds.

With the Super Famicom era SMTs it seemed like it was all about the Luck stat.  Higher luck meant an easier time escaping from battle, better contact results, cheaper items in stores, it's a clear choice.  It makes you more reliant on your nakama but the positive always outweighed the negative, like your lower attack and defensive stats.

I always went with zero body stat (save for incense)

speed... luck... atk... int... in that order (the heroines magic stat kept her pts down some but otherwise the same)