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i was wondering what are your favarite RPG's (not counting the megaten series :king: )

mine are:
Breath of fire 3 and 4
final fantasy 7, 8 and 9
Kingdom hearts 1 and 2
and Morrowind(not for ps2 [unfortenatly])


hope you post ^.^


ill be waiting to see your favorite games:lurk:

Let's see there are a lot I like...
Definately the Breath of Fire series,only played 2,3 and 4.
Mainly whatever Square Enix throws out,I end up buying them,in which I may or may not like them,but I did enjoy Kingdom Hearts.The FF series...I didn't get all hyped into 12 like everyone else,it was alright though;looking forward to 13.

I love the Tales of series,and there are the NIS games:Disgaea,Phantom Brave,etc.

I guess the easiest thing to do is list them by system.

NES: Dragon Warrior III, Dragon Warrior IV
SNES: Earthbound, Robotrek
PlayStation: Persona 2, Suikoden, Suikoden II, Ogre Battle
PS2: Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter, Wizardry, Dark Cloud 2, Nightmare of Druaga, Dragon Quest VIII
GC: Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
PC: Planescape: Torment, Fallout, World of Warcraft (although I rarely have an account, it is fun)

I know there's more, but those come to mind the quickest. I'm not a massive FF fan (I mostly like IV, although XII is good) and I cannot stand Kingdom Hearts. There's other games I like that I don't know that I'd consider "favorites", so I didn't bother with them.

NES: Final Fantasy III, Sweet Home
SNES: Actraiser, Final Fantasy V, Harvest Moon, Radical Dreamers, Shin Megami Tensei, Soul Blazer
Nintendo 64: Harvest Moon 64
PlayStation: Monster Rancher 2, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Suikoden
PlayStation 2: Dark Cloud, Monster Rancher 3, Okage: Shadow King
Dreamcast: Skies of Arcadia
PC: Ys I-II Eternal
DS: Final Fantasy III

I, too, cannot stand those mediocre Kingdom Hearts games. But, then again, anything that has Tetsuya Nomura involved is bound to be awful.

No real order, but VS is probably my favorite.

Vagrant Story
SMT Nocturne
Dragon Quest III Reprise
FF XII
Panzer Dragoon Saga
BoF DQ
Wizardry ToFL
FF VI
Persona
Persona EP
SMT 1&2
Lunar EB
FFT

YES. I can't believe I forgot to include this game. This is a game they need to port.

Since when is Actraiser an RPG? Furthermore, Harvest Moon?

Actraiser is an Action-RPG, at least, I consider it one. Harvest Moon could be considered a Simulation/RPG.

I can't believe I forgot that game too,well the first and second one atleast...
It has been a long time since I've seen or heard of those games.

^Saga / Azel is the only rpg of the bunch. While I think they are rad in their own right, the other 4 titles, PD, PD Zwei, PD Mini, PD Orta, are all rail shooters.

I can't believe no one has ripped off the incredibly cool battle system. It would have made for quite an adaptible system to be used in some type of airship / sky pirate rpg -- think maybe a similar universe to Battle Garegga.

True,you are right about that.Saga/Azel is the only RPG.

Still they were quite memorable games.I can't believe no one has either,it was really a blast with how the battle system was done.

I always though of Actraiser as sim/action platformer. Harvest Moon I can sort of see, but I tend to call it just straight sim.

Anyway, not really favorites per se, but just what I consider the best in general;

Traditional jRPGs
Shin Megami Tensei 1
Shin Megami Tensei 3
Dragon Quest VI
Dragon Quest VIII
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy XII
Chrono Trigger
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Earthbound
Wild ARMs(first one only)
Secret of Mana

Might be adding Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song to this list.

SRPGs
Yggdra Union
Tactics Ogre
Final Fantasy Tactics
Front Mission

Western RPGs
Fallout

I've played other Western RPGs, but none of them come anywhere near Fallout.

^ I forgot about RS. I really do enjoy it.....and Chrono Trigger.

Shadow of the Colossus, Vagrant Story. Other than SMT games, nothing has made a bigger or better impression on me yet. Mind you, I haven't played many new games lately. I will admit though, FFVI, Tactics and VII got me into RPG's. They hold their place.

I felt ill the entire time I played Romancing SaGa. I really cannot figure out what the appeal of it is... and this is from someone who generally likes similar games to it. I've not really liked any of the SaGa games, though.

I don't think it's possible for anyone to genuinely like a SaGa game.

I think it was honestly one of the worst RPG's I've ever played. Other than trying to look pretty at some points, I've got nothing good to say about it.

I don't even know if I can agree with this. I'm usually open to art styles, but I can't even get over how the characters look to this day. It's not so much just their appearance, but coupling that with their animations it's just too much. The game has the worst horse animation I think I've ever seen, on top of that.

Beyond which, at least on my TV (I'm running on a HDTV via component, so maybe it's more obvious) the watercolor style effect the game goes for just makes it look insanely pixelated.

At some point I'm going to give it another shot, but I don't know when that'll be. It's not worth enough to just sell it.

:twocents:

I rented it, played it for 15 minutes then complained about how I just got ripped off. lol

Meh...I thought RS was one of the best rpgs of 2005.

LOL Cammy lists Shadow of the Colossus as one of her favorite RPGs, then says RS is one of the worst.

I'm not a fan of the SaGa series, but Minstrel Song is an excellent title.

Has anyone ever read this (http://www.largeprimenumbers.com/article.php?sid=saga)? It's basically a 7,558 word article on why Minstrel Song is bad.

While nearly 8,000 words sounds impressive, it is pretty much an essay on how he is too retarded to understand RS's systems -- maybe I should say he isn't patient enough for them. I couldn't stand Unlimited Saga, but I found RS very accessible, especially if you give it a little time. Most of reviews I read regarding RS honestly made me feel as though the reviewer quit playing only after a few hours.

Shoot, you know what, I've got the wrong game. I'm thinking you guys were talking about Unlimited Saga. So many saga games... lol

Firstly, I bought Romancing SaGa thinking that I would like it, and I hadn't had experience with other SaGa games.  I thought I didn't like it because I didn't understand what to do (which to some extent I didn't, har har). So I ended up getting the buyers guide and put the few pieces of the overly complex puzzle that is this sandbox rpg and realized I sincerely DID NOT like this game.

But RPGs I do like include:
Okage - Simple, stylized, and funny
Stella Deus - A bit ridiculously long and its an SRPG, but I like the Characters and Story.
Nocturne & DDS- Naturally
Pokemon RBY -  Who didn't <3 those bastards before they sold out?

PS: I said Okage :) Whenever I say that people always want to hear Okami; which is understandable.

Setting the MegaTen series aside, my favorite RPGs are probably Vandal Hearts, Golden Sun 1 & 2, and Final Fantasy VIII.

Sega Master System: Phantasy Star
Sega Genesis : Shining Force 1 & 2, Phantasy Star II, III, IV
Super Nintendo: Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V, Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire II, SMT I & II, Lufia II, Tales of Phantasia
Playstation: Final Fantasy 7 & 8, Final Fantasy Tatics, Persona , Persona II, Lunar Silver Star, Lunar Eternal Blue, SaGa Frontier, Suikoden I & II, Wild Arms I & II, & Xenogears (cant stress that last one enough).
Playstation II: Final Fantasy 10 & 12, Dragon Warrior 8, & all the Megaten games for PS2 of course.

Has anyone played any of the Growlanser games? That's a fun series. ^_^

I haven't, but Atlus is localizing Growlanser V.

My favorite RPG is probably Xenogears, but honestly I have always had a hard time pinning down something as a favorite since there are so many factors involved in the decision.  

The SaGa series is my favorite rpg franchise. At this point I have no clue how many times I have played through SaGa Frontier, but I have probably played each character at least 3 times.  I really enjoyed playing Romancing SaGa and have already gone through 5 characters and am working on my 6th.

Some other notable favorite games in no particular order are SMT: Nocturne, Baldur's Gate II, Dragon's Quest IV, Suikoden II, Shadow Hearts I & II, Vagrants Story, FFXII, Xenosaga I & III, Tales of Eternia, Ogre Tactics, BoF II, IV & V.

SNES: Shin Megami Tensei II and Final Fantasy VI.
GEN: Shadowrun.
PSX: Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Tactics Ogre and Valkyrie Profile.
PS2: Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter.
PC: Fallout 2, Planescape: Torment, Wizardry 8, Vampire: Bloodlines, Knights of the old Republic 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2.

I really enjoyed Persona 2 EP and Valkyrie Profile as well.  Hopefully I will have time to play through Persona 2 again and take the alternative path before P3 comes out.

Fallout 2 is probably my second favorite pc game.

Yeah, I've heard. Growlanser II and III were brought over by Working Designs, but then they closed up business. Which was a sad day for me, because they were one of the few companies out there devoted to their fans. :frown:

What was the big deal about Working Designs? They never seemed all that great to me, and some of their games were too goddamn expensive, thanks to all the pointless garbage they would pack in.

^I know a few of us here probably think along the same lines. I really do like a few WD titles, but for the most part think they were really overrated.

I never even gave any of the crap they packed in with Lunar 1 & 2 a second look once I opened the box.  I would definitely have appreciated a standalone version with just the game ala WD's Growlanser 2 & 3 release.

Neither did I. I remember thinking the cloth map in 1 was lame and had a putrid smell. I did like the manuals, but their binding could make them difficult to read.

Now that I think about it, aside from the SMT/Devil Summoner/DDS games all the console RPGs I like are pretty old.  Haven't seen much in the genre that really strikes my fancy.  I guess Odin Sphere looks okay but I really don't care much for that kind of character design.

I never cared for Working Designs. Particularly how they'd fool around with the games themselves. For every worthwhile change they'd make some pretty boneheaded ones. I never found their translations to be all that special (particularly thanks to the jokes) and, to repeat others here, I never had a use for a single thing in those box sets.

The only real thing I got out of them was better resale value than I do for most other RPGs. I suppose that has some merit.


To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty mixed on the actual game itself. It's pretty and it's reasonably fun, but I'm almost amazed at some of the mainstream attention it's getting over, say, some of the SMT games that are arguably more involving and enjoyable.

I suppose you can't underestimate the power of 2D fandom.

I actually was surprised as well. You don't see many new RPGs that are not a running series or made/published by a very well known company get too much media attention. Yet, Odin Sphere is. I'm sure it won't get a huge boost in sales, but it will some, more than SMT will with future releases. And, most likely, the SMT series are probably higher quality games than Odin Sphere is. Although I will check out Odin Sphere when I can. The team that made Odin Sphere also made one other game, that I found listed. An odd game named GrimGrimoire, I haven't looked into it much, but the name itself is kinda weird as grimoires are books on magic, specifically black magic, which would be grim in the first place.

And you are basing this off of what? I'm not sure if I would call the last Devil Summoner a quality title.

I guess he is just saying what he think, "his opinion". For example I would say that the Megaten games are the best among the rpg's but that just my opinion and because I like the Megaten games the most, I'll say that they are good. I will say that there is no perfect game, they are good depending on the likes of the people who buy them and play them. A game that looks good for a lot of people can be looked like crap for me, or viceversa.

Emilio, please stop talking.

Anyway, Megami Tensei titles have dipped tremendously in quality over the past few years. We'll see if this trend has continued when P3 is released.

I have no problem with someone expressing their opinion, but it is not unreasonable to ask how someone formulated that opinion.

BTW Emilio, what happened to your friend that posted here and then disappeared? Kind of strange huh?

He only comes when Emilio needs rescuing.

Wich friend?

If you guys mean that one guy that was constantly insulting him? I think I banned him, I didn't see the point.

If you mean Heat, I think he's taking a break from a lot of websites for a while lol.

Nah, there was another poster from Guatemala that suddenly appeared when Emilio needed it the most. As soon as he did appear, Emilio disappeared. And as soon as he left, Emilio reappeared.

Oh, well, I can verify that he doesn't share an IP range with anyone else here... so I don't know what else to say about that. :sick:

So did you think I was that guy back there? Come on that would be stupid, and I guess he appear because you began to say some thing about Guatemala, and he maybe piss off. So dot think I was that guy, can't you give me another stupid excuse?

Going back to games... lol.

My 360 is broken and on its way to be fixed, so I've been popping in games on other systems I've never finished before. One of them was Rogue Galaxy. I was only like 4 hours in it before I moved on to other things. I'm not sure why, since I liked it.

I've been enjoying it the last couple of days. Sometimes I think areas are just way too big and open for their own good... it makes it a bit tedious, but it's still an overall enjoyable game. I guess it's not a favorite, but I'm kind of struggling to come up with any recent RPG I've really loved.

Rogue Galaxy was a bad game for a number of reasons.  

The thing is, you might not really even notice since RG keeps you occupied with busy work (such as the factory, weapon creation and leveling, hunting special enemies, collecting hunter coins, raising insectors ect.) throughout a majority of the game.  

When you are done with the busy work, or can no longer put up with it, you realize that all that is left is a crappy story with a group of useless/purposeless supporting characters.

I agree with everything you said and more. I played RG for about 5 hours and was bored to numbness.

L5 sucks. The best thing that ever happened to them is Enix.

I personally liked Dark Cloud 2, but still.

I don't know. I think overall I feel the same way about Rogue Galaxy. I like a couple of the main characters and the basic idea of going to other planets is fun, but I don't think it's very well capitalized upon. You're just taken from wide open dungeon to wide open dungeon, none of which are particularly interesting. Something about it feels off the entire time and, looking back at it, I wonder if I have been trying to convince myself I "like" it so that I don't feel like I've wasted the money.

But to be honest with myself, I think I've wasted the money lol.

Hmm, I never played Rogue Galaxy. I wanted to at one point, but I got over it.

I'll just post series 'cause I'm terrible at choosing. I love the Suikoden series, Xenosaga, Shadow Hearts, Tales of..., Growlanser and .hack(I prefer GU but the originals are also fun). There's other small titles, like Nippon Ichi(though they're getting really big lately) and some Square games that I also enjoy, but not as much.

I played the Rouge Galaxy Demo that Sony sent me in the mail (they also gave me a pirate flag >_>) and I liked it. I held off buying it because Riviera PSP was just announced and I discovered Persona 3.

I, on the other hand, enjoyed Rogue Galaxy from start to finish. I had a fun time playing it, even though action RPGs are not favored over turn based for me. I thought the story was decent, with, albeit forgiveable (at least for me), fun to watch but not so deep characters. I thought the game was great, which is really the only thing that matters. Other than RG, I found DC 1 and 2 to be ok and Dragon Quest 8 enjoyable to a minimal degree. I definently will check out future Level 5 titles, though.


I said most likely. I didn't say that it is. And, are you saying this for the sake of argument? Or do you truely believe that the SMT series, as a whole, is worse than Odin Sphere, a single game, from a developing company that has otherwise(1 game, which failed to gain popularity, where Odin Sphere has succeded, somewhat) never been heard of?

The most recent entries into the Megami Tensei series have been subpar by MT standards, so it's not far fetched that a game such as Odin Shere, at this point, is better.

Also, what does OS being developed by Vanillaware, a relatively unheard of company, have to do with anything? Just because they've never been heard of by most people doesn't mean they couldn't possibly develop a better game than R&D1. Pedigree, or lack thereof, does not determine a title's quality.

SB pretty much nailed it for me with this:


I wouldn't say OS is better than the entire SMT series as a body of work (of course I don't think it is fair to try and compare one title to an entire series), but I do feel that OS is of much higher quality than DDS 1&2 and DS KR.

What I was getting at by saying that is, I have no idea if I should expect a game as high quality as SMT: N, which I've played, from this company without playing it. Who knows, I could end up hating it, all the reviews and critics (even though I don't normally listen to them, and this is all hypothetical as I think I'd love OS from it's premise) could be wrong. With a game series such as SMT, which, I've heard and read has many great titles and mess ups, but what series doesn't mess up? How wouldn't I assume, I mean really, that a singular game doesn't rack up to ALL of them in worth(not JUST the recent ones and not JUST the old ones). Of course OS is going to be better than some other games in the series, but a total worth, it won't be. What I was finally trying to get at is, this game got attention. Whereas a series like SMT, with games in the series that both are incredible and bad didn't(Of course, I'd like to discern for myself which are bad and good, but I won't get the chance to play them all). Now I haven't played every SMT, not even close. But I'm assuming, and I could be wrong, but I believe I'm not. As a whole, the SMT series is better than OS.

I'm not saying OS is a bad game. I'd probably love it from what I've heard it did. It sounds intriguing, and I'd like to try it out. But my question is, why did this random game get so much coverage? When so many other great games get overlooked. Luck could be the only answer, they (Vanillaware) pleased the right people, I guess.
Just to clarify, I don't believe that a company that hasn't made a name for itself has no talent. Everyone has to start from somewhere. Who knows, Vanillaware could be the next SE.

You could go round and round with a lot of this stuff anyway. It's all opinion. DDS and DS:KR were hardly amazing games, but I have a hard time saying OS is either. For me it became too repetitive before I was even finished with the first character and it really never came back. All of the characters play pretty much the same except for one.

I would say that if OS is better in any way or "higher quality" it is by only a small degree that I don't feel is even worth mentioning. Meanwhile, I know there are people who think it's one of the best games on the PS2. It just has aspects of it that are going to turn off some people, but will simultaneously make other people fall in love with it.

Vanilla Ware has made other games, however, including the original Princess Crown, which is quite similar to this in many ways and highly regarded by many. They do have a good pedigree, even if they're far from prolific.

Because in this day and age 2-D titles, specifically detailed 2D titles, are rare, and even rarer in the U.S. It was nice that one was the recipient of some attention for once. The fact that some media outlets raise Princess Crown up on a pedistal helps a little too. What titles are being overlooked due to OS?


I get what you are saying, but that is one confusing comment. Again, the concern is that the last several titles (I'm not counting P3,......yet) in the SMT line have been subpar imo. If it was an intermittent occurence I would be less concerned, but it hasn't been. I'm also I bit confused considering that you haven't even played Odin Sphere. If I am correct in my assumption that you haven't played it, don't you think it would be wise to withhold such a statement?

I saw some trailers of Odin Sphere and I think it looks a good quality game, the type of art of the whole game is pretty good. But what I admit of the Megaten series from the ps 2, is that they become like too repetitive with the same demons in much of the titles. What I'm trying to say is that some demons appear in other Megaten games and with the same shape. Maybe that's what I dont look to good in the Megaten series.

Heh, I was confusing myself a bit too, Kakizaki. I have this sort of vague idea in my head, and I tried to put it into words. Guess I'll just drop it, and say which is better, in my eyes, when I've played them. I have the DDS's coming my way, and from what I've read about it, it'll probably be enjoyable. Add on to that I like Nocturne, and was told that I'd most likely like DDS if I enjoyed Nocturne. I think I'd rent OS, though from my recollection, I don't think I saw OS in blockbuster last time. (Which was a few weeks ago)

This is nothing new for the series, Emilio. Megami Tensei has always recycled enemies with each new game. The problem with recent entries goes much deeper than a simple aesthetic concerning monster models.


This could very well be true, as the two titles share definite similarities, but something important was missing from DDS. It's not a bad game, by any stretch, it's just half the game SMT3 was.

Meh, I do the same all the time. ;) I was just curious as to why you felt the way you did.

I agree with SB's comment regarding SMT3 & DDS. DDS is a good jrpg, but an average to subpar SMT title imo.

I'm curious, how many SMT titles have you played? (SB and Kakizaki) Since Nocturne and the DDS games are going to be my first SMT experiance, I'll most likely hold a fondness to them and like them more than, say for example, SMT 2, if I play it after DDS. Most likely giving me a different view of the game than you would have. Unless I just flat out don't like DDS, which I doubt I will. But, From what I'm seeing in videos of DDS has really gotten me geared to play it. And right now, I don't have the cash to go after any previous SMT games to see how this series evolved.

By the way, I read somewhere that the DDS games were released earlier on different systems, the NES I believe. Can someone enlighten me more about this. Was that statement true? And how good were those games compared to the current DDS? (If the statement is true, and you've played it.)

No, they weren't - I'm sure it's Digital Devil Monogatari: Megami Tensei, the very first Megaten game that was based on three novels by Aya Nishitani, that you had in mind ("monogatari" can be translated as story or saga).

Ah, ok. Thanks:)

I'm not even going to try and explain this. Read this first:

http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/megaten/megaten.htm
http://www.popanime.net/comp/

Hopefully one of those will explain the DDS confusion.

edit* Ah, I see someone already did kind of explain it. Nevermind.


Not to beat a dead horse, but I am even more confused on some of your earlier statements. I assumed you had at least played some SMT titles. As for me, I have played well over half of the titles in the SMT universe.

I have played a lot too, but the only problem is that the other "half" of games I haven't played them to complete them, they're too many to completing all at once. I guess...

I think I did say somewhere earlier that DDS would be my second experiance of SMT. But, whatever, just forget it. Let's not get more confused than we already are with the weird inputs I had.

Thanks for the answer. When I first saw DDS, on IGN, they said that DDS wasn't new, and it was released earlier. Guess they were confused with the names too, as now they are clearly wrong.

IGN is often wrong about many things.

That's what I've come to learn, in the past 2 years, after trying games out myself and finding out I like them more than some horrible score they gave it.

Final Fantasy
kingdom hearts 1 and 2
Xenosaga1,2 and 3
Shadow hearts 1,2 and 3
Tales of the abyss
thousand arms :azn:

Skies of Arcadia
Final Fantasy 7-12
Xenosaga series
.hack series (original and GU)
Chrono Cross

Favourites, huh?

Final Fantasy X
Xenosaga
Ark the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits
Skies of Arcadia (for the DreamCast)
Legaia 2: Duel Saga

There are, undoubtably, others that I could put on here (like the whole SMT catalog), but you get the idea. heh

Legaia 2: Duel Saga was a good game, but the last boss was very easy!

I Loved The Dark Cloud/Dark Chronicle 1 and 2
I think it has a better ost than Nocturne

and..Altered Beast (i dont know why)

:silent: *i will be ignored Cool!*

Dark Cloud was awesome, but Dark Cloud 2 was kind of bad. The music in two was also not as good as the music in the first game.

Of course, though, it had a better soundtrack than Shin Megami Tensei 3. The only thing worse than a Shoji Meguro soundtrack is a Hitoshi Sakimoto soundtrack. Unless, of course, we count Stella Deus. Then Meguro is worse.

X3 im not playing Stella Deus yet
well the 2 is a kinda bad in some part but is a dark cloud and thats all i need to love the game

Osmond RLZ!! XD

¬¬ Emilio Hates The Dark Cloud 1
Is Not Boring!!

Well, who cares about his opinions, anyway?

yes i Start to Hate Emilio!!!
:P His name is in the Persona 3 Anime in the main page i hate him!!!
and..who cares

3 minutes and you answer :D

Hey Heat Do You Know The Game Ateleir Iris 2?