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Hey people. Sorry I haven't been on for a while but I've been pretty busy - I went to university this year and moved quite far away from home. Plus I had Persona 2 ET, Devil Summoner and Persona Rev. to complete : D

I was just wondering - is it possible there's a chance that Persona Fes will be released in Europe? America is getting the standard version - albeit with a very nice artbook and soundtrack, which I shall be ordering on import at some point - but do you think that Atlus will have translated Fes in time for Europe? On Amazon.co.uk it says Persona 3 will be released in 2008 (screw that release date for a game of conkers!) but doesn't state what version it is.

I'm wondering this because a similar thing happened with Final Fantasy 10 (I believe - I could be wrong). I have read that America got the "normal" FF10 whilst Europe got the "International" version. This has something to do with the Dark Aeons apparently. Could someone who owns the NTSC game tell me if they exist in the game? I own the PAL version (I live in the UK) and the Dark Aeon sidequest is pretty damn hard.

Either way, I'm supremely looking forward to this game - Devil Summoner was good but some parts were disappointing (why was the town and dungeon music repeated so much? What the hell was wrong with Beezlebub's voice? An old man?!) and after completing (finally) Persona 2 (with that FRICKING Alice! Took me hours finding her!) and now a good 20 hours into Persona Rev. Im in a Persona sort of mood.

NB For anyone who remembers, I finished my Persona Rev. booklet. I will try to get you some pictures when I move back to my student house.

Thank you.

There's a few points to be made.

For one, Fes hasn't been announced for anywhere but Japan. I imagine there's some chance of it coming out here eventually, but how high or low that is I could not tell you. So to ask if it'll show up in Europe is just something completely impossible to answer.

As you said, Persona 3 is supposedly showing up in Europe. Most places claim KOEI will be handling that. The thing is, much like other SMT releases there, I'm willing to bet they're simply taking Atlus USA's translation, altering some things and switching it over to PAL standards.

Basically, this means that even if Fes does get translated for the US, I would not expect it to be part of any release in Europe whatsoever. You also have to remember that both Atlus and KOEI are far from the juggernaut Square-Enix is... :corkysm17

Fair enough. When you take into consideration the difference between Atlus and Sqauare-Enix, that does become apparent. I guess Fes will prolly go the way of Shadow Hearts Covenant - Director's Cut and never be translated.

I never did understand SE's stance on releasing to Europe an "extended" FF10 edition and not to their biggest consumers, America. Then again, anything SE does these days is subject to question.

This is the company that officially wants to re-release their old games on new formats :corkysm17

Releasing and localizing Front Mission 1 for DS is NOT subject to questioning, it is subject to praise. As is DQIV, V and VI being remade for DS, the localization of DQM:Joker, FFIV on DS, and DQIX.

It's ok to like Square Enix. Hating on them stopped being cool back in '03.

EDIT: SE not localizing FM5 is subject to questioning/criticism.

I should note that I meant that Fes wouldn't be included with the release there... whether or not it might come out later is anyone's guess, but again, it is dependent on whether or not it actually comes out in the US.

Seeing as P3 itself will be released at practically the end of the PS2's lifetime, it's extremely unlikely.

Sony's actually still helping release PS2 games in 2008... (a version of Twisted Metal, for example). I guess weirder things have happened. Still, honestly speaking, I doubt it will happen either.

Since the Playstation 3 comes out, I have seen that many other titles for the PS2 are coming out. I guess they will not want to leave the PS2 at all. But I hope other Megaten games comes for the PS2, because I guess I can´t really buy a PS3.

How did hating on SE stop being cool in 2003? If anything, SE garners more hate now than ever before, and rightfully so.

Seeing the route other JP companies are taking, I wouldn't be surprised if the next megaten came out for Wii or DS (which would be much to my chagrin). Hopefully Atlus/R&D1 doesn't follow all these other companies and decideds to give us some nice PS3/360 titles. I wouldn't be surprised if another PS2 MegaTen  game hits before then though.

Because I stopped doing it, therefore it is no longer cool.

What? Squaresoft and Enix were both brilliant companies - Final Fantasy 6 to 9 (my personal favourites) and Enix with its Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile series are amoung some of my favourite games. Am I not allowed to feel disappointed due to the fact that two great companies merged together and have produced such weak results? Don't even mention Final Fantasy 12 which is possibly the most disappointing game I've ever played.

I do like SquareEnix - there are moments in their latest games which remind me of their past glories. But a company that openly admits it has more plans for re-releasing old games than making new original ones is one that has fallen from grace in my eyes.

Plus I don't own a DS (I like my PSP just fine thanks - it's got Valkyrie Profile on it : D). I'm not going to lie and say I'd like MegaTen to start coming out on the Wii/DS. Nintendo consoles, for me, have always been about the casual gamer and I can count the number of RPGs on the Gamecube on one hand. I read in the official 360 mag that the PS2 is still outselling the 360 in Japan and even Blue Dragon didn't raise the sales much. I think there will be one more MT game on the PS2 but after that....I dunno.


Apart from the arrogance seeping from that statement, why out of interest did you start liking them in 2003?

Yeah, in 2003 that's when they went to shit.


Forget rpgs, Nintendo consoles don't have anything. The only good Nintendo console is the SNES. I never really understood the love for Nintendo beyond nostalgia.

Call me dense, but....

what exactly happened in 2003? I can't remember - something to do with Advent Children or Radiata Stories?

The GBA had good RPGs, Golden Sun, Yggdra Union, Riviera, Summon Night, Fire Emblem, FFTA (not as good as FFT but it was alright), Pokemon, Boktai, Advanced Wars etc.

:band: Yes! Sony Plastation rules!!

Isn't Riviera being re-released for PSP? It's the one with Grim Angels or something, isn't it?

It's out already in the US.

More like re-releases of remakes of rehashes.

I actually lol'd at that one.

Goddamn PAL release dates/no shows.

*grumble grumble*

Guess I should be pleased PSPs are truly region free. There are loads of RPGs coming out on the PSP actually - Dragonier's Aria, Brave Story, Riviera (and the FF rehashes of course). Most of them are re-releases - I've read that Riviera was on the GB (not in Europe of course) so I'm pleased I'm finally getting the chance to play these long lost games. It was the same with Valkyrie Profile and Tales of Eternia (though I believe that was called Tales of Destiny 2 in the US).

I heard Fes is Persona 3 only with more levels and more stuff. For example they might have something akin to revelations "snow queen quest" that was in the Japanese version but only accessible in the U.S. version through cheats(and it wasn't completely translated to boot).

On an unrelated note I'm sorta glad Europe got the better version of FF-12. Usually they get gyped.

I'm not completely disappointed with square/enix but after they milked the cash cow dry with advent children,dirge of Cerebus, and crisis core I'm realizing they're going with popular trends instead of trying to be innovative.

I liked FF 12 and Kingdom hearts 2 but FF 13 looks cheesy as hell. SE is a "good rpg company" but not the best and I hate their whole "we must never have a mature rated game ever again and stick to teen ratings!" attitude. I think SE is striving to be the "Disney" of rpgs as if their poo smells like fragrant roses. Yes I know every once in awhile you'll see an "M" on an SE title but it is rare and those games don't have nearly as high of production values as the mainstream crap.

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First off, sticking to teen ratings doesn't mean a game is bad. Although I agree that SE was and is going down hill, I however have liked their games to the twelfth title. You just seem like you take pride in the fact that SMT only gives M titles and isn't 'mainstream'. I wonder what you'd say if Atlus suddenly started shelling out teen rated SMT games and suddenly got more attention.

Plus, KH 1 & 2 are cheesier and suckier than FF13 probably will be. Although I highly doubt 13 will be good. I'm not going to be buying it so why the hell should I care. The only reason I would want a PS3 now is MGS4, and I'm not all that pumped to shell out 560 dollars for a system and one game. When most games on that system will go cross platform onto another system I have. This is to hoping my brother gets a PS3 and lets me play it sometime when he comes back to visit from college. :P

Believe it or not... mainstream, teen rated video games.. can be good. I know, it's incredible. I never thought it could be true.

On the other hand mainstream music just sucks.  

On-topic: Yes, Persona 3 Fes has bonuses that the original doesn't. Most likely you could've read this thread to figure that out anyway.

I confessed to enjoying kingdom hearts 2 and FF 12. Do those have a big "M" sticker on them? Mature means more then profane language  or  nudity. It also  deals with the complexities of the story-line. For example FF 12 and Kingdom Hearts have very iconic simple to understand plots whereas Nocturne or DDS is far more intellectually complex. So yes, I suppose I do commonly enjoy mature rated rpgs more then "teen rpgs" but there are "general audience rpgs" that surpass my bias.

Favorite Rpgs at moment

KH 2=Teen
Disgaea=teen
La  pucelle tactics=Teen
FF 12=Teen
Shadow hearts Covenant=Teen
Shadow Hearts 1=Mature
DDS saga=  Mature

If  in fact I'm biased and judging games solely on whether or not they have a mature tag  on them why do so many  of my top rpgs have a "teen" label?

The truth is SE "is" bucking trends and is trying to appeal to a very large fan-base of mostly young impressionable teens. While this  is a good business tactic I find that once in awhile I'm not psyched by a Charlie's Angels Final fantasy fusion (FFx-2) or will pick up a game just because it has cryptic tie ins to FF 7.

Espers turning into vehicles? Planning to make FF13 the first part of  a long  and expensive continual series? That is not the Square I grew up with so of course I have some hard feelings. For the record though I said SE is a good rpg company. Am I going to get scrutinized for not saying it is "the very best" rpg company? That's a bit harsh in my opinion.

I think they're far from a very good game company in general, honestly.

Beyond that, I definitely understand what you're saying... I think you've better explained that in your second post, though. I don't know how much I can disagree. I think SE has its issues, but I'm not entirely sure I can really nail down what they are precisely. Sometimes games just don't interest you, I suppose. Unfortunately, I've found this to be true of SE on a surprisingly common basis the last several years.

It was like that for me too Tony. I loved FF 4-9 and both parasite eve games. And then when square fused with enix my interest gradually dwindled. I never developed "hatred" towards them but I do remember thinking how  their older games had more creativity and  pazzaz. It's as if their recent games can't  keep me enthralled. It took me almost a year to beat FF-10 and with Kingdom Hearts 2 I got pretty far then for some obscure reason just put it down.

I find Atlus,Nippon ecchi, and Nautilis are the only rare companies that make me excited about releases anymore. I know that is opinionated but alas I'm only human.

On a positive note tomorrow I get Persona 3. I feel like a kid right before Christmas. lol.

You should've just said that. You came off like you were just against teen rated games and were placing SMT on an extremely high pedistal, although they are incredible games. My bad, it was 1 am and I was pissed at Shiva for not dying:P. I do agree with you on 13. It's going to get good reviews like all normal final fantasies do, but in reality it's going to suck. Also, mature doesn't mean intellectually complex. CERO rated Nocturne all ages, USK and PEGI rated it 12+. While ESRB is the only rating company to rate it mature. It's just a different take on the content. A teen rated game can have a complex story.

And I wasn't scrutinizing you about SE.:P I dislike SE right now as well, I just didn't like your idea of M versus T games.

Also, SE is the most well known RPG makers. Final Fantasy is the iconic image most people get when they hear RPG. Square Enix aren't following the sucky trend of by the books RPGs. They basically are the trend.

I've never seen a game rated M, in USA, for "Intellectually Complex"

But sorry if I came off like a jerk. I just didn't like where you're coming from on ratings.

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I was really pissed when I found out Nautilis was disbanded. I love the Shadow Hearts series. I've only heard of Nippon Ecchi, so I can't really comment on them.

It's ok Neao. Tony was right I  should have been more  clear about my point in  the beginning. Overall  I'm just as much at fault. Sadly clear  ideas  in a mind don't always get conveyed as clearly in text.

I'll doubt I'll sleep tonight. My persona 3 is inward bound! I haven't been this excited since  I got Shadow hearts covenant and Resident evil 4! :king:

Lol, I want to play Persona 3 right now. I do have it, but I wanna finish DDS2 first. :P

You have quite the resolve but I feel your point. I'm actually playing DDS 2 as well. I'm not that far but I'm psyched because I'm about to rescue Sera and get her in my group.

Dude:P put some spoiler blocks on those XD. Yeah, I'm at the final dungeon. Training to beat Shiva, Vishnu and Seth, then I'll end it. I'm not even gonna fight Satan. After leveling 15 levels, with Item find, I've barley seen any datas to max stats. No way am I leveling that much to beat one dude. Same goes for the demi fiend.

It is well known you get Sera in the second game.(box cover art) I deleted the other bit though I figured most people could predict which ally would be "temporally" an enemy. It's hinted at in depth in DDS 1. Is there a point in being MegaTen fans if we cannot talk about Megaten games? Not trying to start something but I think  there is a difference between spoilers and common sense deductions.

On a positive non confrontational side note glad you've gotten so far in DDS 2 Neao. Good luck!

Yeah, but when I started DDS2 I didn't think Heat would do a 180 for most of the game. I thought he'd be the same hard ass, but more rebellious since he wasn't in the junkyard anymore. But, yeah, I'm just jumpy on spoilers since some games got ruined for me that way. Thanks:P I need strategy, not luck. :P Unless I'm fighting Satan or Demi-fiend, then I need a shit load of luck. Which I'm not, so I'm good.

Unfortunately, you can't really assume anyone has done these things you have... new people find the series all the time.

So just put spoiler tags around the things that might not be common knowledge to every one. It's just [spoiler ] and [/spoiler] without the spaces.

Thanks Tony. In the future I'm going to be far more careful about this. A friend once said to assume is to make an ass of you and me. Just because we're all Megaten fans doesn't mean we all know the same things. I'll use censor bars in the future + my thoughts on Persona 3 are spoiler free!