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So uh... I don't get the whole deal with him.  
What's with the Serph that keeps saying that and the false Varna?  
Is he what Sera wants Serph to be like?  
Honestly, I thought that all the A.I's were what Sera thought they people were like, but afterwards, it seemed like it wasn't so, since Sera obviously saw what a bastard Serph was.  
So... they're how Sera wants them to be?  I don't really understand.  Or did she just make them and they kinda grew personalities of their own?

Real Serph -> Jerk though Sera is pretty much oblivious to this.

Fake Serph -> "Is he what Sera wants Serph to be like?" Correct.

AI Serph -> The one Sera hid along with the other AI's she created into Junkyard.

So, A.I. Serph =/= fake Serph?  
So now there are 3 Serphs running around? :/

Oh I thought Fake Serph was thrown into the Junkyard with all Sera's other fake friends in order to save them from deletion, which would explain why they have memories of the fake world Sera created :) Which would technically make AI Serph and pals "reincarnated" versions of the "Fake" versions since they have memories of their "past lives".

Ok, this probably the most confusing part of the game that takes explaining...x_x;

Sera created an imaginary space in her mind which only she knew about. Serph, Argilla, Heat, and Cielo all existed there(you see them playing volleyball) but Beck and the others of course, find out about it. So when the Junkyard project(or Asura Stage 1 project if you like that better) was being put into process, Sera hid those AI(the one she's playing volleyball with) inside Junkyard so she wouldn't have to delete them.

Fake Serph would technically being AI Serph. You have to see that Sera saw real Serph as a kind person so that's how he thought he SHOULD be in her imaginary world. So when AI Serph and real Heat are confronted by the real Serph(who was actually evil) and fake Serph(who Sera wanted and thought the real Serph was like)...and yea. That's it. x_x;

Philemon, I'm not sure if they're reincarnated. Like I said, she hid those ones into Junkyard...so that's why they kept the same memories of going to the beach, her house, and everything with them still.

Well I'm not saying the "fakes" were literally reincarnated, more like they were imported to the Junkyard and then their memories were repressed/firewalled/wiped/reset/what have you, but then they start remembering their "fake" lives they lived in Sera's fake world. So in essence they had a fresh start to gain new personalities not dictated by Sera, but while still retaining innate personality traits :)

*shrugs* That's exactly what I said...^^; It's just like Sera...she forced herself inside the Junkyard to help her friends but doing that caused her memory to be fuzzy.

haha yea but thats what I was trying to say in my first post XD

Yea well, I'm just wondering if we both confused the hell out of Nuu or not, haha.

I'm confused. :)
I'm just confused about the relationship between fake Serph and AI Serph.  Aren't they the same person?  How come they're seperate inside that thingie then?

They are the same person but it's just Sera's perspective on how she saw Serph. "Ok, so Serph is a nice guy so I think I'll make the Serph in my world a really nice guy too that I could fawn over." I'm assuming the same thing happened to them, like Sera, when they were entered into Junkyard. They're memories became fuzzy but they still built out new personalities(despite they are the same ones at the beach, they just didn't know that at first).

I think it's just a way to reflect on Serph considering he's being confronted by someone real(who Sera wasn't aware of) and someone fake(who Sera thought this person was). I don't know...now I'm getting confused. Then again, it's almost 1:30AM. D:

Hm... this is how I understand it, it might not be very correct.

Fake Serph was the first ideal Serph that Sera created to overcome her lonliness. After her imaginary world was discovered, the data created was brought over to the Asura Project and either re-used to make AI Serph, or AI Serph was made from scratch. I personally think that the data was re-used, because AI Serph clearly had memories of the stuff in the imaginary world. Like 'ship', for instance.

Radiokill, you're back! <3

I'm wondering, what happened to Sera after those events? I'm pretty sure she came out of the EGG(due to her growth) after all the chaos(Ha, was she in a coma for 5 years?). Plus, Varna should of ate Sera...not Argilla. D:

I thought it was kinda like a combination of Sera's wish and or punishment of sorts for all of them. Sera imagined a space in which they all were happy even if it was a lie, like most children would if they were abused or traumatized such as in Sera's situation (Serph's betrayal, experiments, her fear of Heat, etc.) That building is the place where they all died and the imaginary space seemingly held part of their data (nature) perhaps that's where their souls ended up. It would explain part of this anyway. Sera's ties to Serph were stronger than his ties to her and it split him from his original sins.
 So when he confronted the actual events of the past via Schroedinger he learned of his true or previous nature as it were. In hindsight he perhaps was never that evil because no part of his past was revealed beyond that point. So there maybe more to his ambitions other than greed. The creator of this took several different approaches in creating this effect. One is the Alighierical approach by design. If the dreamspace would be paradise, then the junkyard is purgatory, and the re-emergence in the real world would be inferno. So what drove him? That would be the question. We know what happened to Sera now and how it did but the hard questions are why does she still hold on to the fake when everyone knows the truth including her and what does she gain from it? The next approach is the Freudian approach. If the Evil Serph is the real one, then the fake Serph is the possibility, and the AI Serph is the reality. The AI was really the only one left so in this order it would be:

Id(Core):Real Serph

Ego(Possibilty): Fake Serph

Superego(Reality):AI Serph

The real serph died and the fake was exposed so the only one that was truly left was the AI so that would be the be somehow in fact the "real" Serph because it survived itself and is really the only one recognized as "Serph".

Actually, I'm not sure where I read this, but they say that since the EGG is an imitation of God, the data of real Serph and real Heat had stayed within the EGG and never left.  
So that means that the real Heat and Serph in there aren't illusions or anything, they were actually who they are.

So... that leaves Fake Serph... I'm just not sure why he's a seperate entity in there, because as far as I can tell, he's supposed to be A.I. Serph.

How's that i thought in the fight with the two Varna's One was the real and the other one was fake if that's the case then wouldn't the Serph that we've been using be the AI Serph not the fake one? I'd like to read your thoughts on this one.

Yes, that's what I mean.  
But since fake Serph and A.I. Serph are "supposedly" the same being, how come they're seperate inside the egg?

Their different views probably gave way to their seperate conciouses (forgive the spelling) as their ideas have become different. 'AI' was trying to escape the junkyard while 'Fake' was trying to find Sera with no determinate cause. The AI was seemingly based off of info. not only regarding everyone involved but a seemingly high possibility of their wills and ability to change. This is the only way I can think of to justify my view on this. Maybe the EGG was a sort of incubator that view them as twins rather than the actuality that they are and were one and the same.

My perception is that they are split personalities of the Real Serph.  The Real Serph wanted to exploit god's power, while the Fake Serph wanted to have Sera.  

If that makes sense, I'm not too good at explaining big, confusing things like this.

So, Real/Fake Serph are the same beings, just split up.  The AI Serph is just Sera's perception of him, what she saw when she was experimented on.  It does make sense when you think about it, does it not?  I may be way off, but meh, I'm still at the Airport!  Do they explain this more or do they leave it there as the story progresses?

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Real Serph is Real Serph.  Like, he's not some sort of dream/illusion/perception/vision that Serph has.  Real Serph's data was stuck inside the egg for some reason.
So's real Heat's.

I was going off the process of elimination theory. The one who's left gains the title and that was AI Serph. Hmm...guess I'll keep playing and get a better answer together. This is fun I'll reply again when I've uncovered more.