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Yeah, you´re right it will be a total mess if we post all the items on a thread and don´t follow an order.

(Is a member of GlobeLaw and have alt in Globe)

Uh well, we were sharing the Wiki before, but then we got someone who kept telling everybody "how to run the wiki" and basically trying to get us to do this and that so we decided to password the thing. At least, that is what I've heard for the reason why the password was put up.


Er... btw I'm new here. *wave* Um... I'm not edible, please don't eat me. I kick and scratch and uh... can bite back.

Well, I don't really know too much about the situation, nor have I ever personally visited the Globe Wiki. I mean, if someone tells me it's password protected I'm not going to assume just anyone could walk up and ask for the password lol.

Regardless of who it was or wasn't, having another one probably wouldn't hurt much.

I added two comments to the wiki's discussion pages. And thoughtfully answered a few questions word for word. All I asked was how can we help, and would it not be better to only have one community wiki for Imagine rather than "The Globe Wiki"? One of the wiki's contributors agreed with the basic sentiment.

One of the wiki's maintaners expressed deep dismay that someone had posted the URL of the wiki in these dddb forums. They said the wiki was strictly private and non-Globe members were not "supposed" to visit it. I simply gave them my professional advice, which was any content on the internet is public unless protected by passcodes, and Google will list any popular page that is not behind passcodes.

After the passcodes were instituted, I asked via email for the entry codes, but was denied.

I can't really comment on the state of mind of the people involved. But from what I understand the whole non-event was catapulted to the height of scandal within the klan itself. I don't think most effected people ever saw the comments, but in their place some form of propoganda appears to have been echoed throughout the klan.

It doesn't really matter, because whether the Globe klan can fire up a wiki or not, they are clearly incapable of managing a public wiki.

Speaking of which, is everyone still excited about an Imagine Wiki?

Yes! I think this thread would be better split from the point Tony brings up Wikiness.

So please do before the thread comes back on track again. Or does this forum have a scissor option?

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Now before I split. Should a wiki be setup, it is probably worthwhile to seek out a 2nd party wiki service provider to setup an external wiki. They might even do so for free, and would probably setup a donation/advertising system for you as well. If you have to rent space, it might not be cheaper, but it might be politically more measured for the wiki to not be a subsection of a Megaten fansite. Unfortunately Imagine's klan system seems to bring out divisiveness in people. Whether your klan is a secret society, or vanilla klan for everyone, or just can't decide what it is -- a public wiki needs to rise above it all.

A friend and I were working on a general wiki for a while a few months ago, but we wanted to put down some more solid information before making it public. The internet connection I had for most of the semester prevented us from actually working on the wiki, so it's still pretty empty.

Well stop teasing, and post your wiki's url already :)

One nearly empty wiki coming up
http://megaten.theferox.biz

Some things (namely the skills (expert) page) we were a bit liberal in translating because, in my opinion, 'shot' and 'rapid' aren't very good skill names, in any sense of the word (aside from simple transliteration).

But that's pretty much out of my hands now, I guess. :)

If your host was rock solid stable or a 2nd party wiki service provider, I'd suggest we could maybe cannibalize your wiki :)

But since it doesn't seem that way I guess you are offering to help out :)

The liberal license taking with the names was great! I think once a wiki is setup, it should include romanji translations (perhaps in popup captions if possible) and literal as possible translations as well. Having that on board would let us take whatever liberties can be agreed upon surrounding naming, which can get even more hairy when it comes to Demons for instance.

Btw, I ran into someone yesterday who has the experience to be the Wiki markup team-leader, and did not seem uninterested in helping to spearhead something. I can't really comment, I will try to PM Tony when I get a chance. But just saying, I think we might be onto something here.

My host is fairly solid in my opinion, but if it grows to be huge it'd need to be moved off. However, let's not get ahead of ourselves: at this point a larger wiki provider wouldn't be necessary; the english speaking community is tiny. While a wiki running on a Cray XT5 chilling out with a OC-192 hookup would be nice, it's overkill at the moment.

It's not my call to make, however. :) Just offering a bit of help

I dunno, I guess wasn't really speaking to performance, but renting out a decent host can be costly. Not having bandwidth overheads would be important, because it would be nice to have a wiki with intelligible images versus what the Japanese wiki has to offer!

I think the admin here are planning on installing a wiki repository while making a move to another server sometime in the not far away future. I think there would be an advantage to having the wiki on an independent url, but it will be a start -- as long as everyone feels confident about moving stuff around. Personally that always makes me nervous. Even when moving stuff around my own private servers, much less remotely managing everything. Which would be more of a headache than anything I guess as long as you can make sure everything is working on the new host before committing.

You might PM the admin if you are offering to shoulder some of the cost, or are in some convenient situation with more accessible amenities at your disposal.

I think the main objective of a wiki is to help more people feel comfortable playing Imagine. It is a very good game at its core in technical terms. I think the numbers of people who would play it regularly out there are pretty high. They just aren't aware and weary to dig into it.

http://mto.diabolicalsys.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
Our outdated wiki, but I have a newer fusion chart I could put up.

This is the Touhou klan's wiki effort right? If you missed it somehow, we have a serious wiki effort starting up here:

http://dbdb.digitaldevildb.com/wiki/

We welcome anyone to register and add content to the main page in whatever format you please for the time being. We have a sophisticated/highly technical layout gameplan underway, but it will take some time to get all our ducks in a row. So feel free to go crazy in the meantime!

You can also setup pages for your klans here:

http://dbdb.digitaldevildb.com/wiki/index.php/DBDB:Central

I'm unable to play Imagine at the moment. So if AG is lurking in here, let him know to PM me!

*PMs you... later* <_<

also the wiki is locked, even on registered accounts.

Yeah, I approved your account ages ago. It should work now!

I protected the front page:

http://dbdb.digitaldevildb.com/wiki/index.php/DBDB:Megami_Tensei_IMAGINE_inter-klan_mainframe

Normal users can still add content to the front page by editting the Quick Start Guide there. There is also a new Pandemonium section on the front page for browsing Devil content, but it is probably best left alone for now.

You can also add anything you like to the new Quick Reference page. Ultimately that page will be the virtual one stop shop for experienced players. You can access it from the sidebar.

As soon as I can get around to it, the map on hte front page will become an Image map for accessing geographical areas of Imagine's world.

Snazzy (you'll want Firefox)

http://dbdb.digitaldevildb.com/wiki/index.php/Onmoraki

How cute.I really like how the stats page looks so organized,along with the image to the right.

Yes, since my computer blowout I've been working full-time instead studying wiki technology and cutting my teeth on the javascript DOM, but mostly spending absurd amounts of times working on getting these preliminary layouts and translation prerequisites out of the way.

If not for my working comp going bust the wiki would've been really slow getting started. But now any of you out there with half a brain cell of love for Megaten better get your asses in there and start replicating this stuff all over the wiki :)

Also if you're reading this / playing IMAGINE and not helping out, shame on you. And just wait until I am able to play again, you should all be expecting an ear full!

Also for you registered users not editting, what are you waiting for?

[The Quick Start Guide is wide open for anyone to start in on!]