The first SH wasn't light hearted. And SH does actually go into real mythology and real history. Of course in covenant you are right they added more humor. But even in SMT you have the Jack frost brothers and certain comedic moments. I''d call SMT mostly grim but not without its more light hearted areas. Dante fit in only because of his devil design. If you think hard on his personality though he does stand out like a sore thumb in the SMT universe. Sure he is a demon-slayer but he also is that "unrealistically perfect pretty boy" stereotype. Dante is far more flash then substance. However at least they used mellowed out DMC 1 Dante and not overly obnoxious and full of himself DMC 3 Dante. Don't get me wrong I love DMC and own all three games I just think Dante's world despite having demons in it is a far cry from SMT.
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SH1 is the only SH that stands out imo. I greatly dislike the other two. Real world events? That has little to do with SMT, though. SMT is more about supernatural events happening in a real world setting.
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Regardless, in an RPG world full of kiddy storylines, SMT and Shadow Hearts are some of the few that stand out.
I thought it was pretty cool, the Devil May Cry 2 Dante (my favourite one) was in Lucifer's Call. Capcom love cameo-ing their characters in other games and I was pretty spiffed with Dante being in my group. It's not like he hugely affected the storyline or anything, so why not?
(I love that comic kekeke)
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DMC 1-2 Dante is at his best. He has a bit of a wit and sense of humor but doesn't take it over the top so I agree. A younger obnoxious loud mouth Dante (DMC 3) wouldn't have meshed with Nocturne that well.
I actually liked the humor in Covenant. A lot of people that enjoyed the first game focused just on the slap stick and criticized the whole game for that sole aspect though the rest of the actual story-line had grim,tragic,and very mature themes like the first one. Oh well everyone has different tastes and what not. lol.
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I liked the first game for the horror aspects. The sequel's use of comedy was annoying, imo. I couldn't connect with the characters and didn't like them at all. Once Joachim was introduced, I knew the game wasn't for me. I like some slap stick and comedy, but Covenant was bordering on overly silly for my tastes, which was disappointing, because I really wanted to like it.
That and the one screen towns, boring dungeons, or gay jokes really didn't sit too well with me. I'd like to give it another go, but I fear I'll get the same result.
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Joachim wasn't exactly a fan favorite of mine either. I used Blanca a lot more. I understand your angst concerning the gay jokes. It's as if they made the assumption there are no gay gamers thus no one would be offended when in reality a few people likely got their feelings hurt over the subject matter. Quite careless on their part.
Don't try it again simply because I voiced liking it if you don't want to. I don't like putting peer pressure on others to do things that are about as pleasant to them as swallowing nails would be.
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I want to try it again because it seems everyone loved it but me lol
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(shrugs) There's no crime in disliking a game the majority are fond of. At least you brought up valid reasons why you didn't get into Covenant unlike rebellious idiots that say they hate something popular just to stand out.
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Covenant isn't even that popular, is it? =/ It's relatively niche. If someone was to say it was overrated, they'd be dead wrong, since it's it's that highly touted among most gamers.
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Well it seems to be an unpopular game with a popular reputation if that makes sense. If you can overlook the "gay tailors" , furry jokes, and vampire wrestler spoofs there is a wonderful core story and memorable villains as well as a few unexpected plot twists. Also every female character has a very "kinky" and "sexy" alternate costume if you do some of the side quests! Ok, the last one is unimportant but you get my point.
In Persona 3 I saw the alternative maid costumes you can get for the female characters but they didn't look any more striking or arousing then their normal clothes. That would be about the only pointless gripe I have towards P3. 
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Uh? The gay jokes were offensive to some people?! That's taking it too far - I mean, it was a bloody joke and no one I know thought it was offensive. On the contrary, everyone I know who has played Covenant found it hilarious and I don't mean that in a laugh-at-gay-Joachim way, but in a wow-this-game-is-brave-enough-to-make-that-quip type way. The Man Festival was awesome.
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Really I don't know from a straight perspective if gays necessarily would find it offensive. It just seems like the tailor brothers were a blatant stereotype. Still considering most games don't even have gay characters I suppose it was a positive step forward so you brought up a good angle I didn't consider.
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The gay jokes didn't offend me. I just thought they were totally out of place and too silly for my tastes. I'm shocked I didn't like SHC because I love FFX-2 and apart of the reason I love that game is the humor and the light heartedness.
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Oddly, I thought people might find it offensive too... Not people disgusted by homosexuality as much as those tired of the stereotype the game utilized that seems to appear in every other sitcom. However, the one gay person I know who played the game seemed to not mind it. I wonder if it's more of a "finally, more gay characters in a game, so I'll take what I can get" kind of thing, though lol.
My main problem with SHC was not that it had a sense of humor, but that, at least to me, none of that humor was very funny. I felt like I was playing through a really bad anime, honestly. I played like 15 hours of it or something (maybe even more), but it all just turned me off entirely. I might give it another shot someday, it's still in my cabinet.
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I wonder if it's more of a "finally, more gay characters in a game, so I'll take what I can get" kind of thing, though lol.
I think the tailer brothers are as much a French stereotype as homosexual. I still think they're hilarious and I'm glad one of them had a comeback in SH3. The "Biker lovers" were just taking the piss out of biker boy American stereotypes which was quite funny.
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