Persona 4 for ps2

Quote from: Neao;7148

You're definently missing something more. You seem to have this unflinching cynicism towards JRPGs, well Atlus specifically as I don't know much of what you like, and it seems to distort your enjoyment for the parts you like about the genre. At least, that's what I see. I haven't seen much praise for Atlus' games from you at all, aside from those pseudo praises you give out on occasion. It's fine that you don't like them, but calling them unplayable? Unless you meant that you yourself could not sit down and play the games for more than five minutes, I get what you mean. But they are certainly are 'playable' by general standards.

About this 'fetish' thing: I understand JRPGs are catered to a specific crowd, but I do not think it's that bad. Sure, there are variations all around that are within the bounds of its genre. You could say the same towards any genre, they all do things to cater to a specific person. In light of a better word, because fetish is just a horrible word period, they're more obscure. I wouldn't call them a fetish because, as I said before, any game in any genre would focus on what their game is supposed to be. Therefore, if you want to play a shooter because you desire a shooter specifically for enjoyment, isn't that a fetish too? Awareness of a genre doesn't have much to do with it, since technically all of these games fall under the fetish classification.

Persona 4(Otherwise my post would be way off-topic): I have faith that Atlus will give me an enjoyable game. They haven't let me down since I first got into the series. Each subsequent game I've played has been great, and I hold high hopes for this one. This murder/mystery take is also a very intriguing one, I'll enjoy seeing where they take it.

As far as Persona is concerned, the first games characters were kinda lame, but the atmosphere was pure genius. As for the rest of the series, and Megaten largely since, the descriptor I have to stick to it is really idiotic. I admit, calling the games unplayable, was perhaps rash... what I really meant was un-stomach-able I guess. I mostly blame Kazuma, who must regard himself as an infaliable demi-god by now to seriously pull all the shit out of his ass he does. The only technically good piece in his third Megaten book:

http://www.dokuganryu.com/scans/megaten/kanekoIII/563.jpg

I can't really pinpoint the man. My best guess is he completely fried his brains on drugs about three times in his career, and restarted virtually from scratch each time. He really needs an editor that understands the rudiments of composition.

I apologize for really going overboard. But ask, and you shall receive contract

editted: I say "career", but near as I can tell, he basically has done art for nearly every megaten video game ever, and little else. I'm pretty sure he's responsible for MT2 at least. The MT2 sprite art is actually much better than the manual art, which kaneko did I'm pretty sure now. His art then really seemed extremely amateurish, but unique. Honestly, I'm surprised anyone would hire him with that stuff. He probably was a friend of someones. But MT2 was a pretty major game nonetheless. I guess anime really trumped games back then. Fun fact, I think MT2 might be regarded as the most sophisticated Famicom cart musically.

editted: I think where we differ, is you're a japanese video game fan, and I'm an art fan. The problem is Megaten can skirt so dangerously close to serious art at times :)

I'm always looking for that moment where video games become real art. Not necessarily fine art, but somewhere beyond purely commercial art. Pop art maybe. If by pop art, you mean real artists speaking in the language of popular culture versus advertisers masquerading as concerned artists.

I still think I might really enjoy P3 (probably mostly because Kazuma is not involved), but sadly, P4 does look like a sub par effort released on the back of P3 for dubious financial motives.